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The only people I see recommending Treeleaf and Jundo at this point, after his own behavior on here and the AI fiasco, are Jundo himself and his own students.
Comment by JundoCohen at 22/01/2025 at 02:16 UTC*
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As far as I know, none of our Treeleaf Sangha members are here. I have never heard from one that they are here. Instead, perhaps, you do not understand what I was saying about technology that upsets you so?? I believe that:
(1) Certain technology and medicine, if proven safe and effective, may have some role to help people voluntarily be less angry, less plagued by addictions, fear and depression, more caring and empathetic toward the well-being of others, more content. Why is that a bad thing? Are you against people being less angry and addicted just because medicine is involved?
(2) We must work hard for ethical uses for AI (for otherwise it will simply be misused or used for less worthy objectives), and it can have uses to bring the Dharma to people. In the past, we Zen Buddhists Ordained statues, stones, mountains, spirits and talisman for like reason. This is merely an updated version. So, here is some Zen history which you can study to become better informed on our traditions:
"Sôtô secret initiation documents (kirikami) provide some clues as to how ordinations for spirits and kami were viewed within the context of Zen training.36 The large number and variety of surviving kirikami concerning ordination ceremonies reflect the importance of these rites in medieval Sôtô. They describe not only ordinations administered to ordinary people but also special ordinations for all types of beings, from kami to animals, from emperors to the deceased. ... ... Significantly the precepts played a major role in cementing Zen temples' relationships to other locally powerful spiritual beings. Both benevolent kami and malevolent spirits were conquered by the Sôtô Zen masters, but not vanquished. They came to the Zen master seeking the same spiritual benefits desired by the people living nearby. They sought liberation from the same karmic limitations endured by all sentient beings. Through the power of the ordination they became enlightened disciples of Zen. Local kami in particular lent the power of their cultic center to promote Sôtô institutions. " https://www.persee.fr/doc/asie%5C_0766-1177%5C_1993%5C_num%5C_7%5C_1%5C_1067[1][2] ALSO SEE https://www2.buddhistdoor.net/features/environmental-warriors-buddhist-eco-monks-and-tree-ordination[3][4]
1: https://www.persee.fr/doc/asie%5C_0766-1177%5C_1993%5C_num%5C_7%5C_1%5C_1067
2: https://www.persee.fr/doc/asie_0766-1177_1993_num_7_1_1067
So, please try to offer more nuanced criticisms next time, Clio Musa, if you wish to criticize. Be better informed.
Comment by Regulus_D at 22/01/2025 at 00:10 UTC
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The AI has not been deleted, has it? That would seem abortive.