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Secret Service will kick him out. They act on the orders of the sitting president, no mattern who they are.
Comment by [deleted] at 16/08/2020 at 14:30 UTC
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That's great on paper. But you're working a theoretical model of loyalty instead of considering the real people that actually serve in that department.
And there's also the assumption that no one would try to stop the USSS from removing him.
The constitution has to win every time and usurpers only need to win once. And given how many losses the constitution had taken over the last several decades, I'm not holding my breath that it wins all these battles.
Comment by hurr_durr_gurr_burr at 16/08/2020 at 14:34 UTC
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I don't know if it's safe to assume the Secret Service is some infallible gov agency that will 100% follow their own rules. This is all hypothetical, and would be completely unprecedented, so it's difficult to say what would happen.
Comment by SelfishClam at 16/08/2020 at 14:56 UTC
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Yea but what happens when the current sitting president muddies the election results and claims victory?
Comment by Kevy96 at 16/08/2020 at 14:51 UTC
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Dude I’m sorry, and I don’t blame you, but you’re just clinging into hope that the system works. The system is probably not going to work
Comment by ElderBlade at 16/08/2020 at 17:43 UTC
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Remember that scene in Game of Thrones when Ned Stark confronted Cersei Lannister and tried to remove her from the throne with Robert’s last order as King? By Westeros law and order of the late King, Ned Stark was should have been King until a legitimate heir came of age. But that didn’t happen. She called it a lie and ripped up the King’s signed letter. The gold cloaks (national guard/military) and Kingsguard (secret service) turned on Stark and arrested him.
We are in the same exact situation here. Varys once said that power resides where men believe it resides. It’s a trick, a shadow on the wall. However, Cersei demonstrates here that power is power - she had control over her subordinates through money and sex. The rule of law doesn’t matter if you have sycophants and loyalists on your side and in positions to keep you in power.
I find Trump’s comments about election fraud and his actions to dismantle the USPS very troubling, and an indication he doesn’t intend to leave office regardless of the election results. I honestly don’t know what’s going to happen come November and January, and I’m very worried.
Comment by [deleted] at 16/08/2020 at 15:52 UTC
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it's cute that you're so confident about that lol
Comment by SciEngr at 16/08/2020 at 17:46 UTC
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Trump will have 2 months to plan his sit in at the white house before Biden would take over...that's enough time to weed out disloyal secret service members
Comment by FullAtticus at 16/08/2020 at 15:05 UTC
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And if the election results are muddy, with some news agencies claiming he won, while others claim he lost? Who will they decide is the correct sitting president to obey?