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If no one "wins", per the Constitution, Trump doesn't get to stay in the office - it gets filled by succession - which would be Speaker of the House. If she holds onto the post, I kind of like the idea of Trump being kicked out of the White House by Pelosi, and him watching her of all people undo every nasty executive order he's signed.
Comment by archipenko at 16/08/2020 at 14:12 UTC
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This is how it worked in the before times, yes
Comment by [deleted] at 16/08/2020 at 14:17 UTC
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The problem is you think Trump and the GOP play by the rules. They don't. No one stopped them from doing all that illegal stuff so far. It won't be any different for the election.
If you think Trump will get kicked out of the White House if he doesn't win, remember that 30%+ of the population are hardcore supporters. That percentage is higher among the police, military, and gun owners. This won't end well.
Comment by dragcov at 16/08/2020 at 15:41 UTC
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No, the Speaker doesn't get it. The oldest running member of the Senate does.
More importantly its our one and only Independent Senator of Vermont.
Mr.....Patrick Leahy.
Comment by [deleted] at 16/08/2020 at 14:48 UTC*
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Comment by CriticallyApathetic at 16/08/2020 at 14:59 UTC
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Sounds great, but you gotta wonder .... what will make this check and balance work, when so many others have failed.
Comment by 2wedfgdfgfgfg at 16/08/2020 at 15:03 UTC
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If no one "wins", per the Constitution, Trump doesn't get to stay in the office - it gets filled by succession - which would be Speaker of the House.
Where did you get this information? The 12th Amendment says if no one wins the House votes for a candidate from the list of Presidential candidates.
Comment by booojangles13 at 16/08/2020 at 15:10 UTC
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This is incorrect.
If there are no Presidential results, then there’s no congressional results. Pelosi would relinquish her post on January 3rd.
The President would be the president pro tem of the Senate, Chuck Grassley.
Comment by SQLNerd at 16/08/2020 at 14:52 UTC
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This is incorrect and I've seen it way, way too often.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/07/what-happens-if-2020-election-tie/593608/
Comment by Frog-Eater at 16/08/2020 at 14:52 UTC
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He'll start a war with anyone if it lets him remain in office for another week. I don't see it ending without widespread violence.
Comment by ProNoobi at 16/08/2020 at 14:56 UTC*
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It actually wouldn’t be Pelosi, I was watching a video a few days ago about it. It’s because her term also ends in Jan 2021 - I believe it goes to the most senior person in the house.
I’ll try to find the video
Edit: https://youtu.be/Knf4ghc1hRw
Comment by FullAtticus at 16/08/2020 at 15:04 UTC
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And if he refuses to leave? Everyone will be forced to take sides. All he needs is a plausible claim to the office. Fox news saying he won, for example. Take a look at history. Power struggles don't care about the constitution, but who the guys with the weapons think should be in charge.
Comment by 0917200110027190 at 16/08/2020 at 15:06 UTC
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Except everyone in the house is up for re-election so it can’t go to any of them
Comment by elmoo2210 at 16/08/2020 at 15:19 UTC
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Yes and this will be the first thing Trump will have done that goes against explicit wording in the Constitution for sure.
Comment by [deleted] at 16/08/2020 at 14:38 UTC
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We need to stop assuming the Constitution matters anymore.
Comment by motioncuty at 16/08/2020 at 14:53 UTC
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Heads up, the entire house wont be elected either, the house will be empty and there are around 66 senators who will still have office. The remaining senators will skew blue, they elect a senate leader who is then acting president
Comment by irishyardball at 16/08/2020 at 14:53 UTC
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If those votes are counted then yes Pelosi would win but she would likely be tied up in the same waiting period. Grassley would be President.
Comment by DionFW at 16/08/2020 at 15:00 UTC
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I just want to see her do that clap as he exits the building.
Comment by SunflowerOccultist at 16/08/2020 at 15:04 UTC
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Not quite. After that the House of Representatives with one vote per state chooses the new president
Comment by haydenf4 at 16/08/2020 at 15:26 UTC
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If no one "wins" in the Presidential election,then it safe to assume that no one "wins" the congress races,so by a convulted process,the 46th President of the United States would be Patrick Leahy of Vermont
Comment by BrosenkranzKeef at 16/08/2020 at 15:30 UTC
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Ultimately it would probably be the Secret Service’s job to enforce who walks into and out of the Oval Office, eh?
Comment by downtothegwound at 16/08/2020 at 15:42 UTC*
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I’m not 100% sure this is the case but I think If he loses, the secret service will escort him out, with force If they have to, if he refuses to leave on January 20th, 2021. I cant imagine too many secret service members are willing to lose their whole career over assisting in trump holding the White House hostage.
Also Biden can work from home lol. Congress isn’t going to allow him to stay if he loses. Because they may be able to jump in front of bullets for him while he’s in office but if you’re going to explicitly go against the constitution and the people’s result of the election?, I’m going to assume that would be political suicide.
Just my perspective I don’t know enough to really know if I’m right on this
Comment by [deleted] at 16/08/2020 at 15:50 UTC
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I'm sure he cares what the constitution says. Based on the opposition Pelosi has given, I cannot imagine a world where she even tries to do that.
Comment by jrizos at 16/08/2020 at 16:01 UTC
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Talk like this is a distraction. He doesn't plan on losing and staying, he plans on disrupting and passing the vote to GOP controlled state legislatures.
Comment by rubyginger at 16/08/2020 at 16:12 UTC
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Yeah but is that actually going to happen? Trump is already and has already defied the constitution- especially what he’s doing with the postal service. Who’s going to enforce his removal in January? What’s the process like? Is it automatic, or does it have to go through Congress? Is secret service going to remove him?
Comment by yoloismymiddlename at 16/08/2020 at 16:12 UTC
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It actually would depend on the make up of governors. It’s safe to say the majority of governors will he Democrat’s next year, so it’s likely we would see President Pelosi. If she becomes president, I’d love to see her undo all of Trump’s bullshit, oversee fair elections under UN oversight, and trump being persecuted.
But we’ve seen how persecuting Nixon, Reagan and Bush went...