https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-election-result-take-years-as-usps-attack-fears-grow-2020-8
created by viva_la_vinyl on 16/08/2020 at 11:33 UTC
78411 upvotes, 62 top-level comments (showing 25)
Comment by [deleted] at 16/08/2020 at 12:01 UTC
5137 upvotes, 2 direct replies
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Comment by hildebrand_rarity at 16/08/2020 at 11:41 UTC
13815 upvotes, 15 direct replies
"You know what? You're not going to know this — possibly, if you really did it right — for months or for years. **Because these ballots are all going to be lost, they’re all going to be gone**," Trump said.
He’s telling you exactly how he’s going to rig the election. He’s sabotaging the Postal Service so that the ballots are “lost”.
/r/SaveThePostalService
Comment by seejack60 at 16/08/2020 at 11:37 UTC
11326 upvotes, 11 direct replies
He'll claim that he didn't lose for years. Hopefully his cell mate is the only one who has to listen
Comment by BouncyBunnyBuddy at 16/08/2020 at 11:59 UTC*
3796 upvotes, 6 direct replies
► Trump was first compromised by the Russians in the 80s. In 1984, the Russian Mafia began to use Trump real estate to launder money. In 1987, the Soviet ambassador to the United Nations, Yuri Dubinin, arranged for Trump and his then-wife, Ivana, to enjoy an all-expense-paid trip to Moscow to consider possible business prospects. Only seven weeks after his trip, Trump ran full-page ads in the Boston Globe, the NYT and WaPO calling for, in effect, the dismantling of the postwar Western foreign policy alliance. The whole Trump/Russian connection started out as laundering money for the Russian mob through Trump's real estate, but evolved into something far bigger.
► In 1984, David Bogatin — a convicted Russian mobster and close ally of Semion Mogilevich, a major Russian mob boss — met with Trump in Trump Tower right after it opened. Bogatin bought five condos from Trump at that meeting. Those condos were later seized by the government, which claimed they were used to launder money for the Russian mob. (NY Times, Apr 30, 1992)
► Felix Sater He grew up with Michael Cohen--Trump's former "fixer" attorney. Cohen's family owned El Caribe, which was a mob hangout for the Russian Mafia in Brooklyn. Cohen had ties to Ukrainian oligarchs through his in-laws and his brother's in-laws. Felix Sater's father had ties to the Russian mob. This goes back more than 30 years.
► Trump was $4 billion in debt after his Atlantic City casinos went bankrupt. No U.S. bank would touch him. Then foreign money began flowing in through Bayrock (mentioned above). Bayrock was run by two investors: Tevfik Arif, a Kazakhstan-born former Soviet official who drew on bottomless sources of money from the former Soviet republic; and Felix Sater, a Russian-born businessman who had pleaded guilty in the 1990s to a huge stock-fraud scheme involving the Russian mafia. Bayrock partnered with Trump in 2005 and poured money into the Trump organization under the legal guise of licensing his name and property management.
► The Russia Mafia is part and parcel of Russian intelligence. Russia is a mafia state. That is not a metaphor. Putin is head of the Mafia. So the fact that they have been operating out of the home of the president of the United States is deeply disturbing.
► Rudy Giuliani famously prosecuted the Italian mob while he was a federal prosecutor, yet the Russian mob was allowed to thrive. Now he's deeply entwined in the business of Trump and Russian oligarchs. Giuiani appointed Semyon Kislin to the NYC Economic Development Council in 1990, and the FBI described Kislin as having ties to the Russian mob. Of course, it made good political sense for Giuliani to get headlines for smashing the Italian mob.
► A lot of Republicans in Washington are implicated. Boatloads of Russian money went to the GOP--often in legal ways. The NRA got as much as $70M from Russia, then funneled it to the GOP. The Republican Senatorial Campaign Committee lead by McConnell got millions from Leonard Blavatnik. In the 90s, the Russians began sending money to top GOP leaders, like Speaker of the House Tom Delay. Craig Unger's book alleges that most of the GOP leadership has been compromised by RU money.
► At the Cityscape USA’s Bridging US and the Emerging Real Estate Markets Conference held in Manhattan, on September 9, 10, and 11, 2008, Donald Trump Jr. was frank about the tide of Russian money supporting the family business, saying "...And in terms of high-end product influx into the US, Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross-section of a lot of our assets."
► Eric Trump told golf reporter James Dodson in 2014 that the Trump Organization was able to expand during the financial crisis because “We don’t rely on American banks. We have all the funding we need out of Russia.”
► Russian oligarchs co-signed Trump’s Deutsche bank loans.
Trump now gleefully takes cues from Putin: ► Trump went against American intelligence on North Korean missiles. He told the FBI he didn't believe their intelligence because Putin told him otherwise. “I don't care, I believe Putin"
► Trump met in secret with Putin at the G20 summit in November 2018, without note takers. 19 days later, he announced a withdrawal from Syria.
► Trump refused to enforce sanctions legally codified into law - and in some cases reversed standing sanctions on Russian companies.
► He has denounced his own intelligence agencies in a press conference with Putin on election meddling - and publicly endorsed Putin's version of events.
► Demanded Russia get invited back into G7
► Pushed the CIA to give American intelligence to the Kremlin.
► Withdrew from the Open Skies treaty
► Received intelligence in 2019 that Russia was paying bounties for dead American soldiers, and hasn't done anything about it
https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/hsifzw/comment/fyavoin
Comment by FBI_Agent_82 at 16/08/2020 at 13:13 UTC
618 upvotes, 2 direct replies
How are we still calling them allegations if he admitted to it?
Comment by oldcreaker at 16/08/2020 at 12:46 UTC
2093 upvotes, 4 direct replies
If no one "wins", per the Constitution, Trump doesn't get to stay in the office - it gets filled by succession - which would be Speaker of the House. If she holds onto the post, I kind of like the idea of Trump being kicked out of the White House by Pelosi, and him watching her of all people undo every nasty executive order he's signed.
Comment by Funtacy at 16/08/2020 at 14:24 UTC
92 upvotes, 4 direct replies
This is the first time since he became president that a chill literally ran through my body while reading something he did or say and i don't even live there. I grew up idolizing America. Going there even for a holiday was a dream of mine, now someone would have to force me to go. The country was seen as a symbol of freedom for the people, a symbol for democracy and a place where anybody can "make it". Seeing it being torn to pieces in the last 4 years has been heartbreaking to say the least. Part of me wants to believe this is just Russian propaganda being spread on the internet and things really aren't half as bad over there but i highly doubt it. Democracy is dying in the USA and so is the freedom it is so famous for.
Comment by [deleted] at 16/08/2020 at 14:02 UTC
252 upvotes, 3 direct replies
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Comment by step213 at 16/08/2020 at 12:25 UTC
451 upvotes, 3 direct replies
Trump is f***king disgusting. How is this allowed?! How is this not in violation of some laws??
Comment by calittle at 16/08/2020 at 12:39 UTC
110 upvotes, 3 direct replies
Akin to shooting someone on Fifth Avenue, he’s *telling* us what he’s going to do and expecting no one to care.
Comment by Kecir at 16/08/2020 at 11:52 UTC
869 upvotes, 4 direct replies
I hope he realizes that means he won’t be president on January 20th either way. He’s so stupid he probably think it makes him automatically president again if the results aren’t finished being tallied.
Comment by [deleted] at 16/08/2020 at 13:47 UTC
130 upvotes, 1 direct replies
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Comment by seriousbangs at 16/08/2020 at 14:23 UTC
159 upvotes, 3 direct replies
He's right. It's going to be years to figure out how much bigger Biden's win would've been if Trump hadn't cheated and the GOP hadn't helped him do it.
Seriously folks, at this point if you're into Democracy & the US Constitution then you can no longer vote Republican. Trump attacked Democracy, the Republicans helped him do it.
Voting Republican means you're a fascist. That's no longer a flippant insult, it's a statement of fact.
Comment by MeatReality at 16/08/2020 at 14:06 UTC
90 upvotes, 2 direct replies
If it's contested still in January, I for one, will welcome President Pelosi.
Comment by hatrickstar at 16/08/2020 at 13:33 UTC
90 upvotes, 2 direct replies
This fucking con man is going to start a right wing propaganda company 100% founded on the idea that he didn't really loose isn't he?
That was his backup plan in 2016, it's his backup plan now. He does not give a single shit how much he leaves the country in smoldering ruins getting there..
Comment by Bison204 at 16/08/2020 at 11:54 UTC
200 upvotes, 2 direct replies
Remember remember the 3rd of November; And Donald Trump’s treasonous plot. Make his loss so decisive, let it not be for naught; May be conman be finally caught.
VOTE!!
Comment by pmorgan726 at 16/08/2020 at 14:00 UTC
62 upvotes, 2 direct replies
If I ever have kids, I am aching for the day I help them with history homework and anything in the textbooks about this piece of shit is purely about the cheating, lying, souless loser that he is. It would be wrong to teach any child that this man was anything but a viper which bit and snuck its way to the top.
Comment by wollathet at 16/08/2020 at 14:08 UTC
28 upvotes, 2 direct replies
If only there was some sort of governing body which could investigate, or hold him accountable. Maybe the could work from a set of fundamental laws, like a supreme law. It could be like a ‘Constitution’ or something. That could really come in handy about now
Comment by Lofteed at 16/08/2020 at 12:28 UTC
91 upvotes, 1 direct replies
just throw is fat ass in jail already !
This is treason
Comment by kliman at 16/08/2020 at 14:10 UTC
97 upvotes, 4 direct replies
Boy I hope you guys can get this all sorted out for yourselves and the future....I'm in Canada, and it feels like having an apartment above a meth lab.
Comment by MisallocatedRacism at 16/08/2020 at 14:06 UTC
41 upvotes, 2 direct replies
The sooner everyone absorbs that, the sooner we can move to step 2.
Comment by [deleted] at 16/08/2020 at 11:34 UTC*
93 upvotes, 3 direct replies
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Comment by Lamont-Cranston at 16/08/2020 at 13:30 UTC
223 upvotes, 4 direct replies
Look I'm not say I'd contest them or nothing, but what I'm saying is that if we don't come to some kind of arrangement there could be all kinds of untowards circumstances and accidents...
He acts like such a caricature of a mobster.
Comment by [deleted] at 16/08/2020 at 14:27 UTC
21 upvotes, 3 direct replies
Correct me if I’m wrong, but if the results aren’t determined for the election, doesn’t the speaker of the house become president? I’m pretty sure that’s how it works if there is no election at all.
Comment by tamsui_tosspot at 16/08/2020 at 11:43 UTC
70 upvotes, 4 direct replies
I think this is Trump in the "bargaining" stage in dealing with his upcoming loss. He's had a long run of denial, and probably anger behind closed doors. Now with his brother dead, I wouldn't be surprised if he slides quickly into depression.