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and our goal is to have an america where people are safe, healthy, prosperous and individuals not groups have rights.
we all want the best for america. we just disagree on how to do that.
The problem
the democrats solution
i get the point, however, we disagree on that being the solution
there are 39,000 gun deaths each year in the country
school shootings are about 15 of those
there around 300,000 defensive gun uses per year.
we all want to not have the 15 school shootings to happen.
we dont however want to take away peoples rights, if we dont have to and we also dont want to inadvertently create greater harm to others, or worse yet more deaths, because trading one death for another isnt a great solution.
so we want to focus on solutions that reduce net gun death and dont impede on peoples constitutional rights.
we agree on the problem, we disagree on some fundamental values, and we disagree on the solution.
this unfortunetly gets mutually exclusive, when one group wants to restrict peoples rights that are granted to them in the constitution to solve a problem and the other group doesnt. if your group was willing to focus on solutions that could be employed that didnt impose on peoples rights, I think you would find a lot of support, but unfortunately, you use this banner of "common sense gun laws" which by in large tend to impede on or create direct channels to impede on peoples rights.
all that aside, in no case, is it acceptable to harm people physically and i would argue interrupting someone while they are out to dinner with their family is garbage behavior. there are formal ways to address concerns. breaking a senators ribs, shooting up a baseball game, or yelling at someone when they are out with their family is not acceptable behavior.
Comment by [deleted] at 10/10/2018 at 17:43 UTC
22 upvotes, 1 direct replies
the democrats solution - ban certain types of guns - restrict access to all guns - impose greater regulations on guns
More than that. We also want mental health screenings for people purchasing guns. And a better mental health system overall. But republicans don't want to put any money in healthcare because “why should I pay for someone else to go to the doctor!”
Comment by [deleted] at 10/10/2018 at 17:56 UTC
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individuals not groups have rights.
I've got Citizens United on line 2?
breaking a senators ribs, shooting up a baseball game, or yelling at someone when they are out with their family is not acceptable behavior.
breaking ribs and shooting people are not even remotely comparable to protesting at a restaurant, unless they're grouped as "things this guy doesn't like"
Comment by devotedtoad at 10/10/2018 at 18:11 UTC
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I know you'll probably get a lot of vitriol here, but I for one appreciate seeing a conservative on here trying to have a reasonable conversation and not just trolling or throwing out insults. I wish more people on both sides would do this instead of demonizing each other.
Comment by pmmehighscores at 10/10/2018 at 17:45 UTC
6 upvotes, 1 direct replies
There are < 300 justified homicides per year by civilians. FYI.