Comment by nukefudge on 17/01/2020 at 05:31 UTC

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"Perceiving consciousness" would amount to the perception of humans (or perhaps also animals, depending on framework of choice) doing the things that humans do which require consciousness. This might sound circular, but that's because it's an answer to an odd question, and consequently, it's framed from an odd angle.

(Some might make a case for someone e.g. sleeping not counting as conscious, but in the general sense, it's still 'consciousness', since we know it's someone sleeping - and yes, we could come up with all sorts of additions to this example, but for the current purpose, we don't need to.)

At any rate - what you're thinking of must be self-consciousness. I think in that case, the question becomes moot, since it's now instead a matter of detailing what self-consciousness amounts to.

And if we simply define self-consciousness as "the perception of your own consciousness" we've done ourselves a major disservice, since we're sneaking in a redefinition at the same time. Not advisable.

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Comment by marianoes at 17/01/2020 at 23:04 UTC

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(Some might make a case for someone e.g. sleeping not counting as conscious, but in the general sense, it's still 'consciousness

That would be the subconscious which does not turn off when you sleep.

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what you're thinking of must be self-consciousness

All conscience must include the self. There can be no consciousness without a self. But I was referring to being conscience. Self consciousness is simply the awareness of your existence as per its definition in the dictionary.