https://www.reddit.com/r/modnews/comments/v2o33p/mod_log_updates_adding_visibility_into_nsfw/
created by itsovertoosoon on 01/06/2022 at 18:41 UTC
265 upvotes, 31 top-level comments (showing 25)
What’s up mods? Today, I’m here to go over a few updates to Mod Log, also known as the Moderation Log, that will give you more visibility into actions Reddit takes on content in your communities. Thanks to those of you who have given feedback and shared your thoughts around improvements you wanted to see from Mod Log. Because of your suggestions, we’ve made the three updates below, which went into effect on April 1st:
As we first introduced a month ago in Reddit Security, posts that are identified as NSFW will be automatically tagged[1] using a series of detection tools that identify if there’s a high likelihood media is sexually explicit. Any posts in your community that are automatically detected and tagged as NSFW will also be tagged with a “Mark nsfw” action so you can filter and review those posts.
When Reddit automatically tags a post as NSFW, it will look like this:
When Reddit’s automated systems detect abuse (very obvious hate speech and harassment), that content is removed. Previously, these admin-level removals weren’t included in Mod Log, and would appear to you mods as normal spam filter actions—this update adds those removals to the log so now you can review those removals as well. Some of you may be familiar with a new mod tool we're piloting to help you keep your communities healthy, this is specifically admin level removals unrelated to that tool. Here’s an example of what a removed link looks like:
When Reddit’s Anti-Evil Operations team receives an appeal that's granted, now you can see it in the Mod Log too.
To be even more transparent around how our Anti Evil Operations team handles content that violates Reddit’s Content Policy[2], we’re working on solutions to help improve moderator visibility into actions taken by Reddit’s admins and automated systems. But we want to hear from you! What would you like to see more visibility into? What are your ideas for new Mod Log functionality or features? Throw your ideas in the comments. We’ll be around to hear your thoughts and answer questions.
2: https://www.redditinc.com/policies/content-policy
Comment by MajorParadox at 01/06/2022 at 18:50 UTC*
43 upvotes, 2 direct replies
Very cool, nice to see more log support!
My biggest feedback on what's presented here is that they should include reasons. Like, are we supposed to assume "remove" by Reddit with no reason is any other automated system besides those ones in testing? For example, the one that says something like "Automatic Filter: This content is filtered" and the crowd control one?
As for the log itself, are there plans to ever support the consolidated mod log on new Reddit? And mod logs on mobile at all? Besides that, I think there are a lot of day-one bugs still there on the new Reddit log that should be investigated. For example, not being able to see usernames in the log when they are visible on old Reddit. I belive there were also issues around missing log details too in certain cases.
Comment by Beeb294 at 01/06/2022 at 19:08 UTC
26 upvotes, 1 direct replies
I agree elsewhere that there's a problem here- there's nothing that indicates these actions were completed automatically. How would a mod know this is an automated removal, as opposed to a manual removal by a human admin? It's not that someone couldn't figure it out (probably), but it's not made clear in an effective way.
I know that, in the event my judgement differs from whatever or whoever removed a piece of content, I'm more likely to defer to that judgment if I know a human saw it, and would be more likely to want a second look if it was automated, because no automated system could have the ability to get all of the subtlety and nuance of a comment/post in the way a human can.
Could you add information in either the user column or the action column to indicate that an action was done by an automated system? I.e. the user could be displayed as "reddit(automated)" instead of just "reddit"?
Comment by Zavodskoy at 01/06/2022 at 19:01 UTC
15 upvotes, 1 direct replies
When Reddit’s Anti-Evil Operations team receives an appeal that's granted
Does this apply when mods appeal things too? None of the comments or posts I've been told have been removed by mistake by AEO have been approved again by the admins we've always had to do it
Comment by roionsteroids at 01/06/2022 at 19:04 UTC
8 upvotes, 1 direct replies
Could you please use reddits action reason in admin modlogs?
Comment by Ghigs at 01/06/2022 at 19:07 UTC
9 upvotes, 1 direct replies
Does this include comments removed because they link to a site that's been blacklisted site-wide?
Comment by KKingler at 01/06/2022 at 19:12 UTC
8 upvotes, 1 direct replies
Do you think you could add a setting for appeals to filter the content to moderators?
For example, there have been numerous cases where people been un-shadowbanned and it re-approved spam on a bunch of subs that otherwise wouldn't have been approved.
Comment by Grundlage at 01/06/2022 at 18:58 UTC
11 upvotes, 1 direct replies
Looks great!
On the subject of mod logs, could we get spam removals to show up in mod log as well? Our subreddit (r/dragonage) has an issue where totally normal posts get removed for being spam (not by our automod, but with a "This post was removed by Reddit's spam filters" message) fairly regularly (multiple times a week), and we have no way to know about it if the user doesn't send us a modal.
Comment by Watchful1 at 01/06/2022 at 18:54 UTC
5 upvotes, 0 direct replies
I'm not sure if this is your team, but I wanted to mention it since this is about the mod log. Someone posted over on r/redditdev about how when a post is scheduled, it creates a mod log entry that includes the time the post is scheduled for. But if someone edits the scheduled post, the mod log entry for that does not include the updated time.
Scheduled posts aren't otherwise supported in the API, but this seems like it would be a super simple change. The post about it was here[1].
1: https://www.reddit.com/r/redditdev/comments/v17zlp/getting_subreddits_list_of_scheduled_posts/
Comment by teanailpolish at 01/06/2022 at 19:18 UTC
5 upvotes, 1 direct replies
Thanks for the update. If a user appeals an AEO removal, will it still be approved even if a mod has removed it? There is a lot you find not a content violation that still violates sub rules and just making sure those won't be put back into the sub
Comment by telchii at 01/06/2022 at 21:56 UTC
5 upvotes, 1 direct replies
So that's what these are! I spotted some `Mark NSFW` actions in the log yesterday and was wondering why Reddit was flagging certain submissions. I definitely agree with the sentiment here of adding reasons, even if to better communicate that it was an automatic action.
I noticed that filtering the moderator to `Admins, All Actions` doesn't include all actions by Reddit or AEO. Could these filters be updated to include all admin/reddit/AEO actions so we can more easily review all these actions in a single view? (Or add AEO as its own entry, if that's more maintainable.)
Also, are these automatic actions intended to be easily overridden by a post's author? Or do you guys have plans to implement an extra layer around undoing the auto-nsfw? Something like requiring mod intervention, filtering the post for review, or adding a report. The post I noticed yesterday was auto-marked as NSFW, but its author must have unmarked it at some point, as there's no other mod actions on the post. (Kinda defeats the purpose of the automatic action once an individual discovers this, imo.)
Comment by Shachar2like at 01/06/2022 at 19:12 UTC
3 upvotes, 0 direct replies
What would be interesting is to add a feature that allows you to filter or search warnings given to users.
We use a combination of a manual system in the mod log and the notes feature.
I don't know, it's probably an edge case and not relevant for most of reddit's communities. And it sounds complicated to even figure out or program what is a warning. Maybe a turnable setting that will record every mod reply to a user as a warning, that seems like a good start. (probably still too complicated and edge case though)
Comment by Titus_Bird at 01/06/2022 at 21:53 UTC
6 upvotes, 1 direct replies
If there's automated NSFW tagging, does that mean there are clearly defined sitewide rules for what constitutes NSFW? My understanding was that mods exercise a degree of discretion here. I moderate an art-related sub, so I'm particularly interested in whether drawings that feature non-sexual nudity count as NSFW, not to mention the minutiae beyond that (female nipples? male nipples? an ass crack? what about animals?).
Comment by awesomesaucebigg at 01/06/2022 at 22:02 UTC
3 upvotes, 0 direct replies
In mod log you can sort by moderators to see individual options. You also have the option to search for admins.
Will all of this come up when searching for admin?
Thanks in advance.
Comment by mfb- at 02/06/2022 at 03:49 UTC
3 upvotes, 0 direct replies
Any posts in your community that are automatically detected and tagged as NSFW will also be tagged with a “Mark nsfw” action so you can filter and review those posts.
Where can I find this in the old design?
Where is the "Mark sfw" button in case the automated tag is applied incorrectly?
Comment by Xenc at 01/06/2022 at 22:54 UTC*
2 upvotes, 0 direct replies
Having an approved submission means that another moderator has checked it meets subreddit rules, and having Anti-Evil Operations approve content clashes with that.
Can we have a different approval type or icon for these types of approvals, to show that it’s an action by Reddit? This would be similar to how there’s a distinction made for AutoModerator removals.
Thanks for the updates.
Comment by ReginaBrown3000 at 02/06/2022 at 00:51 UTC
2 upvotes, 0 direct replies
This is cool! Thanks!
Comment by CaptainPedge at 02/06/2022 at 02:05 UTC
2 upvotes, 0 direct replies
What do these things look like in old.reddit?
Comment by Southernms at 02/06/2022 at 02:50 UTC
2 upvotes, 0 direct replies
Nice! Thanks!
Comment by DrugPositive at 24/06/2022 at 05:03 UTC
2 upvotes, 0 direct replies
Why did /r/drugs get marked NSFW when it clearly doesn't belong in that category /u/itsovertoosoon ? I mean, literally most Americans need drugs at work to even go through the day and employers provide this drug often for free (caffeine is a drug!)
Comment by cyrilio at 01/06/2022 at 21:21 UTC
2 upvotes, 0 direct replies
Will text posts ever be marked NSFW?
Comment by fuzzy_one at 02/06/2022 at 00:06 UTC*
2 upvotes, 0 direct replies
As a mod in a subreddit that does not permit NSFW content, do you have a working example an automod rule we can use to remove posts tagged as NSFW? The one I pulled from Reddit’s deep dark archives a year or so back works on the title but not working on tag detection.
Comment by TheTurbanatore at 02/06/2022 at 02:31 UTC*
2 upvotes, 0 direct replies
A lot of Reddit Mods view modding on the official Reddit app as modding on "hard mode" because Mods have to jump through so many different hoops (open mobile web browsers, cropy from clipboard/notepad app, use 3rd party apps, etc) just to do basic things like sending a user a Mod Mail message.
As a lot of mods use the Reddit app when on the go, It would be very helpful to have a "send user modmail" button directly in the Reddit app, the same way that the app has the "Ban User", "Change user flair", and "Invite to community" button.
Adding such a basic feature would greatly speed things up and make it easier, which as a result increases the safety and quality of Subs across Reddit and ensures that Mods have less stress and can contribute more to Reddit.
Could you imagine how annoying it would be if they removed the "Ban user" button when clicking on someone's profile on the App and made it so you had to do it on the web browser and had to manually type in the user's name? So why is there no feature in the App when we want to simply send users a warning, rather than outright ban them? Surely such a feature would be a benefit to everyone involved in the process (Mods, Users, and Admins).
This feature is especially helpful for Mods who are students like me, who often Mod when away from our computers when at school, on the bus, etc.
Comment by GuthixIsBalance at 02/06/2022 at 06:45 UTC
1 upvotes, 0 direct replies
Great to see dev for the mod log.
It's prominence cannot be overstated. 👍👍
Comment by chia923 at 01/06/2022 at 22:52 UTC
0 upvotes, 0 direct replies
Yo, admins! Could you add an NSFL tag as well?
Comment by rtwpsom2 at 01/06/2022 at 19:03 UTC
-3 upvotes, 0 direct replies
When are you just going to add a NSFL tag?
