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View submission: capitalism's demolition will not dismantle misogyny.
This reads to me a lot like a liberal/radical feminist take. My take is that the major issues that divide us today (of all sexes) are in fact material and class, which then exacerbate gender and misogynistic tendancies. The worst victims of male violence or prostitution are nearly always poorer women, and they are less likely to be able to escape these situations (because housing is expensive, because they have no money or a myriad of reasons).
If we did away (as much as possible, I’m not utopian) with class differences it most likely wouldn’t end misogyny but it would curb heavily its worse excesses. Take the examples above. Men would find it harder to exploit women because they would have material equality, they could access justice, escape when necessary, end marriages and find safe and secure housing.
You could have a UN parliament made up of women under capitalism and all that would happen would be the same- the poorer, easily exploited women would still be raped and abused.
Comment by LadywithaFace82 at 28/03/2024 at 12:11 UTC
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Finding it easier to escape abuse is...such a depressingly low bar. Money doesn't **prevent** abuse. It doesn't teach anyone anything about treating others with empathy and respect. And it doesn't immune a person from the harmful effects of being exploited or oppressed. Wealthy women in a patriarchy are still treated like garbage by the patriarchy. They are still murdered and abused by wealthy men all the time.
Comment by Droughtly at 28/03/2024 at 23:43 UTC
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This reads to me a lot like a liberal/radical feminist take.
Funny to me that liberal and radical feminism are not synonyms and in fact both camps regularly use the other as a pejorative.
All this white, lib fem, rad fem, etc shit has quickly become a way for people to off handedly reject arguments about sexism without any reasoning.
If we did away (as much as possible, I’m not utopian) with class differences it most likely wouldn’t end misogyny but it would curb heavily its worse excesses. Take the examples above. Men would find it harder to exploit women because they would have material equality, they could access justice, escape when necessary, end marriages and find safe and secure housing.
You could have a UN parliament made up of women under capitalism and all that would happen would be the same- the poorer, easily exploited women would still be raped and abused.
No one here said capitalism is like, great. They said it wouldn't solve sexism. Ultimately, you're also saying it wouldn't solve sexism but you're phrasing it like you've thought of a nuance OP hasn't or like it's an objection when this all fits in the exact framework of what OP is saying.
But, what OP is saying is reactive. You will, and I have been, literally be banned from LateStageCapitalism or other anti capitalist subs for saying that misogyny is real and won't be resolved by fixing wealth inequality. There's literally no point in being like 🤓☝️ about capitalism still being bad, because there is not an inverse group. There are leftist men who don't want to admit any association to the oppressor class. Individual feminists may be criticized for being rich and shallow, but there isn't a general philosophical pro feminism pro capitalism group out there like there are anti capitalist men who do not believe in misogyny.
Comment by a-difficult-person at 28/03/2024 at 23:51 UTC
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Are you male? All of your replies sound incredibly male and someone who has no idea what being a woman is like.