created by EB_Groupe on 24/01/2025 at 08:51 UTC
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We all have heard the statistics of lesbians being the happiest kind of relationships. We’ve all heard of and possibly even seen in really time the liberating feeling of escaping the hell of a relationship with a male, and perhaps some of us have even lived it.
I won’t sugarcoat it, we’ve entered hell here in America. No matter what type of woman you are, cis, trans, anything else, lesbian, or god forbid heterosexual, you are not valued by the men in power. There needs to be massive sex strikes on a national scale, at any cost. Modern feminism has become far too nice to men, and that’s why it has not succeeded. So then how can we fix this? We NEED to stop giving men sex, we NEED to. If they can’t get their cocks wet, then they need to actually listen to us, or just kill us and end our inevitable suffering.
And don’t give me the “We live in the privileged west” argument, no one actually takes that seriously. No matter where you live, withholding sex has proven time and time again to be an effective and legendary method of getting what we want.
One thing I don’t understand about modern feminism is the belief that political lesbianism is not something to believe in. Why? Give me one decent reason why it should not be feminism’s message. Is it because it hurts men’s little fee-fees to know that feminist women don’t want them or need them? Perhaps we wouldn’t need to hurt their feelings if they didn’t rape and kill us with reckless abandon.
Lesbian relationships have also been proven many, many times to be more oriented on romantic love and are much happier than hetero relationships. Compare this to hetero relationships, which are much more abusive, violent, and prone to divorce and unhappiness. Not to mention that in everyday life, women possess the true power over men, because sex is a seller’s market, and refusing to give a man sex is often all a woman needs to get what she wants from him.
We need lesbian separatism, we need idealised amazonian society if feminism and lesbians hope to succeed, and we need to start the road to getting those by refusing to give them sex. To withhold sexual services from the men enslaving us, and from all men along with them to prove we can punish them all, is what I believe we need to do. How is this not feminist?
Comment by SquareExtra918 at 24/01/2025 at 08:56 UTC
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Well, this supports the idea that sexuality is a choice. I can't just become a lesbian.
I can, however, choose not to engage with conservative, anti-feminist, generally gross men. That's what I do.
Comment by Kirstemis at 24/01/2025 at 10:02 UTC
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Sexuality isn't a choice. I can disengage from men but that won't make me want sex with women (exception, as always, for Halle Berry). This post also implies that men want sex and women grant it as a favour rather than acknowledging that women want sex too.
I don't like the term political lesbianism. It feels like suggesting straight women should cosplay as lesbians to achieve their aims.
Comment by QtPlatypus at 24/01/2025 at 09:01 UTC
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No please not.
Political lesbianism presupposes that sexual orientation is a choice. This is deeply homophobic because if someone can choose to be a lesbian then lesbians and gay men can choose to be straight.
In addition being in a romantic relationship that is incompatible with your sexual/romantic orientation is damaging to your mental health and happiness.
The pervious generator of political lesbians became trans and bi exclusionary. It is a bad idea to go down that toxic path again.
To repeat something a lesbian friend told me (I'm bi/pan) "I don't want to have a relationship with a woman because she hates men, I want to have a relationship because she likes eating my pussy".
Comment by fuckeverything_panda at 24/01/2025 at 09:42 UTC*
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ETA: I am saying this as a lesbian and a feminist but not a lesbian feminist, to be clear.
Nah. 53% of white women voted for trump. It’s not very intersectional to assume that oppressed and oppressor are neatly divided by gender alone. Lesbians can be oppressive too, and men are part of our communities and can be oppressed too (albeit not on the basis of binary gender category). All oppressions are interconnected and we don’t do ourselves any favors by fixating on just one.
Moreover, just like how some women are just not physically attracted to men, some women *are just not physically attracted to women* (but are to men). Anyone who’s had internalized homophobia knows it friggin’ sucks to feel sexual/romantic attraction and not ever have it treated as acceptable to act on it. It’s just not tenable, we are sexual creatures, and a lot of women’s sexualities are not that fluid.
See also: Combahee River Collective Statement[1] (foundational text for Black/intersectional feminism)
1: https://www.blackpast.org/african-american-history/combahee-river-collective-statement-1977/
Although we are feminists and Lesbians, we feel solidarity with progressive Black men and do not advocate the fractionalization that white women who are separatists demand. Our situation as Black people necessitates that we have solidarity around the fact of race, which white women of course do not need to have with white men, unless it is their negative solidarity as racial oppressors. We struggle together with Black men against racism, while we also struggle with Black men about sexism.
As we have already stated, we reject the stance of Lesbian separatism because it is not a viable political analysis or strategy for us. It leaves out far too much and far too many people, particularly Black men, women, and children. We have a great deal of criticism and loathing for what men have been socialized to be in this society: what they support, how they act, and how they oppress. But we do not have the misguided notion that it is their maleness, per se—i.e., their biological maleness—that makes them what they are. As BIack women we find any type of biological determinism a particularly dangerous and reactionary basis upon which to build a politic. We must also question whether Lesbian separatism is an adequate and progressive political analysis and strategy, even for those who practice it, since it so completely denies any but the sexual sources of women’s oppression, negating the facts of class and race.
Comment by Amareldys at 24/01/2025 at 10:57 UTC
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I mean political lesbian only works if you are bi.
Comment by Thae86 at 24/01/2025 at 09:15 UTC
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CN: queer DV
Mk, so one of my most traumatizing domestic violence situations I was ever in, we were both very closeted.
She used to torture me. If you think marginalized gendered people are incapable of abuse, bow howdy, I got some reality to show you.
All you need to be an abuser is be human and have an entitlement to people.
So many other reasons why this viewpoint is shit but for me this is the main issue; y'all don't fucking believe me about my own lived experince.