Comment by Ethical-trade on 21/06/2019 at 19:22 UTC*

15 upvotes, 3 direct replies (showing 3)

View submission: The next phase for Donuts

An update was very needed. Thank you!

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• "going forward governance polls will be considered as signaling tools, rather than absolutely binding"*

Ok but then how can we even take decisions when they are needed? Who decides?

• *Couldn't we have voted to take such an important decision??**

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• "Once the community is confident in the decentralized implementation, the community can return to experimenting with binding governance."*

How will we be able to determine that the community is confident without a binding voting mechanism to begin with?

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• "We started this project to reduce the dependence of online communities on centralized actors and make them self-sovereign"*

Then isn't it extremely ironic that our voting system is suddenly made null without any sort of consultation?

• *I don't believe that deciding key aspects of our governance for us makes us** ***self-sovereign, at all.***

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"*The* r/EthTrader *community believes that Ethereum smart contracts is the right approach to fulfill this mission"*

My understanding is that the r/EthTrader community believes that smart contracts and donuts **could be** the right approach, not that they necessarily are.

If it works, let's keep it, if it doesn't, let's use something else.

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Comment by psswrd12345 at 21/06/2019 at 21:56 UTC

8 upvotes, 0 direct replies

If it works, let's keep it, if it doesn't, let's use something else.

Agreed - let's give this a chance to see how it works. But should be clear that this could be the right approach, as you said. Nothing is a given.

Comment by mikey4eth at 21/06/2019 at 21:56 UTC

7 upvotes, 1 direct replies

Couldn't we have voted to take such an important decision??

Users are worried about the distribution of donuts and voter turnout is really bad. The one or two users with huge amounts of donuts could of just voted no to continue the plutocracy.

How will we be able to determine that the community is confident without a binding voting mechanism to begin with?

The keyword here is *binding*, we can still look at the polls and make decisions based on those, but do you think that these governance polls of a subreddit of 200,000+ should be binding? We've never had a governance poll with more than 385 accounts (not individuals) show up.

extremely ironic that our voting system is suddenly made null

Not *null,* just not *binding.*

Obviously if there is community kickback to something, then something will happen. We aren't all going to sit around and watch this place collapse.

If it works, let's keep it, if it doesn't, let's use something else.

I implore you to think of that differently. The unofficial motto of Ethereum is "move fast and break things." Do you really want to give up on an amazing experiment and revolutionary idea just because it doesn't work perfectly the first time?

Comment by m1kec1av at 21/06/2019 at 22:13 UTC

1 upvotes, 1 direct replies

Couldn't we have voted to take such an important decision??

I think you hit the crux of what makes this decision so mind boggling. Sure, the system wasn't perfect, but if it wasnt working at all this entire time, we could have easily voted to remove the binding result. Instead reddit has blindsided us before we even got a chance to discuss this possibility. I propose we start another poll to signal whether or not we want votes to be binding