399 upvotes, 19 direct replies (showing 19)
View submission: Promote ideas, protect people
So is stuff like /r/justneckbeardthings and /r/fatpeoplehate against the rules now? Systematic and continued actions to demean people which would make any reasonable person feel unable to discuss any ideas that might go against the majority opinion? Or is it more for stuff like http://redd.it/35vv1v[1] or http://redd.it/35xc8d[2] which involves stalking a person to see what they post about where and for what purpose, solely to bring it forward to a group of people to judge and demean said person.
Which of those is now harrasement. If none are, then what is a concrete example of it. Does it need to be reported to you by the person being harrased? Does the admin team have to decide that they consider the treatment harassment? What constitutes feeling "like reddit isnt a safe place" seeing as its website with text comments.
To be honest, it seems like this rule is going to open a new can of worms, not solve any issues. You should either not allow mean comments, or not moderate legal comments. Trying to find that grey area is going to require you to choose sides on infinite endless battles between groups of people that honestly hate eachother. I know reddit tries its hardest to be a safe and friendly place, but there's a sub-section of this site that wants nothing more than to hate on things. Culture, people, trends, politics, reddit itself. ITs a pretty hate filled site outside of saner places like /r/aww or /r/askscience. ITs one of the prices you need to pay when you dont require anyone to reveal who they are. You cant expect anonymous people to retain their inhibitions and manners.
Comment by Syrdon at 14/05/2015 at 23:07 UTC
4 upvotes, 1 direct replies
Having done a bunch of phone support and internet support for people who had just given me large quantities of personally identifying information (worked for a satellite tv provider), its definitely not the anonymity that makes people think its ok to be assholes. My best guess is that it's the lack of an actual face in front of them that lets them get up a nice pile of hate.
How you fix that in customer service is relatively straight forward, although requiring video chat for all customers has some logistical and economic issues. How you do it on a forum? I've got no idea.
Comment by [deleted] at 14/05/2015 at 18:29 UTC*
18 upvotes, 1 direct replies
it doesn't sound like they're going to start doing proactive enforcement. It isn't harassment until somebody complains about it.
So neckbeardthings and fatpeoplehate are only against the rules as long as they're talking about people who don't read those subs. if somebody sees themselves on there, they get to complain. as long as you're only making fun of people behind their backs, it's all good.
Comment by [deleted] at 14/05/2015 at 17:52 UTC
207 upvotes, 6 direct replies
You won't get a straight answer on this.
Comment by [deleted] at 14/05/2015 at 18:25 UTC*
34 upvotes, 1 direct replies
Don't forget /r/punchablefaces and /r/trashy
Both are fun subs. I understand the reasoning behind this new rule, but I don't think it's going to be good for the site. This leaves way too much room for censorship of content.
Comment by TheCodexx at 15/05/2015 at 07:30 UTC
5 upvotes, 0 direct replies
I expect the admins to continue arbitrarily deleting content they don't like. Now they just have more rules and offenses to cite when they do it!
Remember: blatant censorship is totally okay, as long as the rules say so! You were warned!
Comment by Kalium at 14/05/2015 at 18:00 UTC*
12 upvotes, 0 direct replies
Anonymity has many uses. Right now, policies seem to be an attempt to get the Socially Just uses while shutting off the Disapproved Of uses.
I don't think there's a single historical example of this ever working. In my opinion, this is why the First Amendment is so sharply clear on freedom of speech.
Comment by Elan-Morin-Tedronai at 15/05/2015 at 02:04 UTC
4 upvotes, 0 direct replies
Or even more constricting, would /r/fatlogic 's continual and unrepentant criticism of Ragen Chastain or Tess Munster be disallowed?
Comment by scy1192 at 14/05/2015 at 19:05 UTC
3 upvotes, 1 direct replies
how does that /r/news link (redd.it/35uiwv) stalk someone? seems like a fairly standard news article based on a research study.
Comment by willfe42 at 14/05/2015 at 23:22 UTC
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This helps highlight just how stupid some of these moral crusaders really are:
~~She was a virgin at the time.~~ (Edit: *This detail doesn't matter, and should not have been included. Apologies.*)
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So if the detail doesn't matter and shouldn't have been included, **why the fuck is it still present in the text?** People can still read text even when it's "struck out."
This person revealed personal details about a victim of a sex crime that, by his own admission, shouldn't have been revealed, then went on to say "whoops, my bad" *without actually fixing anything*.
Whatever real problem they were trying to solve, the righteous pitchfork party this one was trying to rally seems to have done far more harm than good.
I imagine I'll be banned soon for calling an SRSer stupid. Oh well. It'll be fun to watch them eat each other when they've chased all their "enemies" off.
Comment by FalmerbloodElixir at 14/05/2015 at 22:07 UTC
2 upvotes, 1 direct replies
I think its less for those sorts of subreddits and more for people who harass individual reddit users.
Comment by ipogarbahe at 14/05/2015 at 21:36 UTC
4 upvotes, 0 direct replies
No, but any sub supporting men or atheists or gamers is now a hate group, shitlord.,
Comment by johnyann at 15/05/2015 at 15:03 UTC
1 upvotes, 0 direct replies
I mean, shit. /r/gunners might as well be a hate sub of /r/coys, and vice versa.
People don't all love each other in real life or on the internet. You made an open platform for this to exist, which is part of why people like this website.
Comment by [deleted] at 15/05/2015 at 00:15 UTC
-2 upvotes, 3 direct replies
There are actual racist subreddits as well.
I stumbled on a user who posted on /r/CoonTown yesterday and they have a whole list of related racist subreddits where the point is to post racist material.
/r/holocaust is actually a holocaust denial subreddit
Reddit allowing blatant racist material and posts is pretty disgusting, and definitely doesn't make redditing feel safe.
I doubt any action will be taken.
Comment by JuryStillOut at 15/05/2015 at 01:51 UTC
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Nope! Just like how they announced they would take down peoples images used without permission, but the subreddit /r/photoplunder which is specifically dedicated to sharing NSFW pictures and videos girls (mostly) unknowingly uploaded to Photobucket.
They aren't proactive.
If you complain, ok, but if nobody is complaining they aren't going to throw away revenue.
Comment by I_miss_your_mommy at 15/05/2015 at 14:47 UTC
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It can only be a good thing if subreddits like this disappear. Likewise: /r/theredpill, /r/blackpeopletwitter, /r/fatlogic/, /r/TumblrInAction, etc.
Creating friendly places for a-holes to be a-holes hurts the reputation of the site.
Comment by alexdrac at 15/05/2015 at 00:20 UTC
-1 upvotes, 1 direct replies
only things that disturb the feelz of the precious sjw will get the hammer.
i'll bet my house this rule will be used 99% of the time against those that are not in line with the official party policy aka those that don't agree with the marxists.
Comment by NaturalisticPhallacy at 18/05/2015 at 21:55 UTC
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I can't speak for the admins, but /r/fatpeoplehate's first rule is against posting identifying information. The purpose of the sub seems to be to keep the hate in a box where we can all circle jerk all over it, not to actually go out and harass people. You'll only get harassed if you go there and out yourself as a fat person, at which point you'll be banned and the harassment will likely cease then as you won't be able to post there anymore.
Comment by [deleted] at 15/05/2015 at 14:40 UTC
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Mean comments must be allowed or this place loses all value beyond being a regurgitator of the same noise.
My main love for reddit is opposition to my ideas and even the expression of the most vile hatred in my direction. It brings great understanding.
Comment by [deleted] at 15/05/2015 at 14:12 UTC
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