Legendary Joker concept: Pagliacci - the sad clown that makes others Negative

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created by MakeOurDay on 28/01/2025 at 17:12 UTC

13588 upvotes, 142 top-level comments (showing 25)

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Comment by Wedding_Registry_Rec at 28/01/2025 at 17:27 UTC*

5931 upvotes, 28 direct replies

I really don’t want to be that guy, but the clown from *Pagliacci* is already in the game, his name in the opera is Canio…

edit: P.S. sick card tho

Comment by Quorry at 28/01/2025 at 17:51 UTC

128 upvotes, 6 direct replies

People saying it should have like a 1 in 3 chance are wild. Oh boy I love a legendary joker with a non negligible chance to do absolutely nothing and take up a joker slot

Comment by MakeOurDay at 28/01/2025 at 17:14 UTC

1404 upvotes, 8 direct replies

"Heard joke once: Man goes to doctor. Says he's depressed. Says life seems harsh and cruel. Says he feels all alone in a threatening world where what lies ahead is vague and uncertain. Doctor says, 'Treatment is simple. Great clown Pagliacci is in town tonight. Go and see him. That should pick you up.' Man bursts into tears. Says, 'But doctor…I am Pagliacci.' Good joke. Everybody laugh. Roll on snare drum. Curtains."

Modified template taken from u/OnOff_[1]. Font by Daniel Linssen[2].

1: https://www.reddit.com/r/balatro/comments/1b2phnb/custom_joker_stencil/

2: https://managore.itch.io/m6x11

Comment by TripleATeam at 28/01/2025 at 17:51 UTC*

402 upvotes, 10 direct replies

Everyone's trying real hard to 'balance' this joker. I'd argue it's less broken than it appears (of course, as long as it's not copiable).

Yes, Joker slots are huge. But say you get this in ante 6, first you need to see if you can still beat the boss blind without one of your jokers, then you need to sell it, then carry Pagliacci into ante 7. Then in ante 7, you have the same number of joker slots. Then in ante 8, you get +1 joker slot practically speaking - AKA it's power is almost worse than if you just got a free negative. You'd rather have Yorick in ante 6.

So in **non-endless** runs, this is actively harmful in antes 7 and 8, alright in ante 6, good in ante 5, incredible in ante 4, and a free win before that - as long as you can survive the current boss blind.

Compare that to Perkeo: a copiable duplicator of any consumable once per round. With observatory, that's effectively 1.5x per round (3.4x per ante) - and that's assuming you don't have Blueprint or Brainstorm. If you do, it's 11.4x per ante.

Realistically speaking, people wouldn't have Showman right away either. There's only so many jokers that synergize with your build and only so deep you can dig to find Showman or the rarer jokers that synergize.

It would be the strongest (or 2nd strongest) Legendary, but it isn't completely gamebreaking pre-Endless. Though, it would be insane in Endless. 30+ free joker slots, and if you got lucky enough to find both this AND Perkeo, the run would be in the ee7+ range easy.

Comment by MatDestruction at 28/01/2025 at 17:59 UTC

46 upvotes, 1 direct replies

People saying it is too broken but I feel like it is ok?

It does nothing by itself, it does not give you a build direction, it's effect is delayed...

Like, yeah it can break the game in really long endless runs, but at this point Perkeo is much easier and has about the same potential

Comment by ConnectPossession710 at 28/01/2025 at 17:22 UTC

1332 upvotes, 11 direct replies

It’s a good concept but pretty broken

Comment by EX-Bronypony at 28/01/2025 at 17:56 UTC

62 upvotes, 1 direct replies

Comment by HEAT-FS at 28/01/2025 at 17:29 UTC

132 upvotes, 4 direct replies

Balancing option:

Pagliacci Fibonacci:

Makes a random joker become negative after defeating the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 5th, 8th (…) ante bosses

Comment by AlphaLightning00 at 28/01/2025 at 17:26 UTC

282 upvotes, 7 direct replies

Maybe making it a chance or condition based would balance it a bit better

Comment by shadowtroop121 at 28/01/2025 at 17:26 UTC

52 upvotes, 2 direct replies

Can a legendary be too good? My first thought is "no" but this is an order of magnitude better than all the other legendaries. It's a little bit worse than "Speculo" from the cryptid mod and it basically means your score and econ has no ceiling.

Comment by luc1aonstation at 28/01/2025 at 17:24 UTC

143 upvotes, 2 direct replies

Comically busted joker lol

Comment by ParkerTheSwordsman at 28/01/2025 at 18:05 UTC

8 upvotes, 1 direct replies

That's a good idea! I'm actually getting into modding, so I might end up trying to mod this into the game just for funsies.

Comment by mondlingvano at 28/01/2025 at 17:44 UTC

13 upvotes, 1 direct replies

I read this initially as add a random negative joker. That'd be pretty fun, even if it misses every time you at least get value out of temperance and swashbuckler.

Comment by 4N_Immigrant at 28/01/2025 at 18:06 UTC

7 upvotes, 0 direct replies

crazy joeker devola

Comment by TheCthonicSystem at 28/01/2025 at 21:11 UTC

7 upvotes, 0 direct replies

But Jimbo, I'm Pagliaci!

-Canio

Comment by raptor_jesus69 at 28/01/2025 at 17:38 UTC

4 upvotes, 0 direct replies

gif [IMG]

Comment by Rocketboy1313 at 28/01/2025 at 17:44 UTC

4 upvotes, 0 direct replies

Negative Pagliacci goes to therapy regularly and is properly medicated.

Comment by Old-fashionedTaxed at 28/01/2025 at 19:53 UTC

3 upvotes, 0 direct replies

Balanced I'd say, it's just another joker slot every ante basically, and that could easily just end up being useless if you get it too late or the jokers you get in the shop end up being useless. Like the other legendaries they aren't automatically wins

Comment by A_Worthy_Foe at 28/01/2025 at 21:49 UTC

3 upvotes, 0 direct replies

It would make endless runs significantly crazier than they already are, but wouldn't do much pre-endless mode unless you got it pretty early, I think.

Comment by panopticon_aversion at 29/01/2025 at 11:22 UTC

3 upvotes, 0 direct replies

Not that good tbh. It takes up a slot, so for the ante you pick it up in, you’re at -1. The next ante, you’re at neutral. The third ante, it comes online at +1.

If you get it ante 1 or 2, it’s not helping you survive, so is a real risk, and is fairly likely to negative whatever early game junk you picked up to make it through.

If you get it ante 7 or 8, it’s a dead draw.

It really shines in antes 3-6, but even then still relies on drawing a surplus of good jokers, and either playing around its RNG by selling junk before the negative effect procs, or just getting lucky with what it hits.

In endless with the perfect setup, sure, it’s great. But there’s a big difference between the ideal situation and regular play.

It deserves to be legendary though. It feels like a big effect.

Comment by KL-Qaeda at 28/01/2025 at 22:16 UTC

5 upvotes, 0 direct replies

"oH ThIs is So bRoKEN"

when Perkeo literally exists

Comment by RuralJaywalking at 28/01/2025 at 18:14 UTC

2 upvotes, 0 direct replies

Needs to decrease hand size to be on theme

Comment by Megasans8859 at 28/01/2025 at 18:29 UTC

2 upvotes, 0 direct replies

Add a condition, your money should be under a certain negative value.

Comment by delet_yourself at 28/01/2025 at 18:58 UTC

2 upvotes, 0 direct replies

That shit would be busted, i like it

Comment by shadowtheimpure at 28/01/2025 at 20:00 UTC

2 upvotes, 0 direct replies

When I see that name, I can only think of 'Pagliacci the Anal Clown' from Ssethzeentach's Space Station 13 video[1].

1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URJ_qSXruW0