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View submission: Spring forward… into Reddit’s 2019 transparency report
The answer is right now we’re in between a rock and a hard place. We want new users to be able to discover Reddit, but aggressive karma rules, which mods set up when Reddit had very limited tools, make it very hard for first-time users to contribute. Karma farms are a bad solution to this, which is why we’re working on tools like Crowd Control that limit the damage bad actors can cause without overly punishing well-meaning new users.
Comment by IranianGenius at 24/02/2020 at 22:08 UTC
621 upvotes, 2 direct replies
It would be cool if there was a way for reddit to flag new accounts that have had manual removals, at least within subreddits you moderate. For example if I see a new user in AskReddit has had posts removed manually in other subreddits, it would be more likely that this user is a spam account and I could check it faster.
Maybe something like that already happens though.
Comment by MajorParadox at 24/02/2020 at 21:59 UTC
184 upvotes, 1 direct replies
Part of that is when they go asking for help, other mods respond with automod code to silently remove instead of filter for review. Not only that but when users notice their content is removed, people tell them they got removed for being new or having low karma, when they might just be awaiting review.
Comment by [deleted] at 24/02/2020 at 22:04 UTC*
67 upvotes, 5 direct replies
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Comment by Halaku at 24/02/2020 at 22:22 UTC
6 upvotes, 0 direct replies
So how do you / Admins / Reddit as a whole feel about moderators who pre-emptively ban people who use karma farming subreddits to bypass their subreddit requirements?
Comment by Gingevere at 24/02/2020 at 23:23 UTC
7 upvotes, 1 direct replies
I find it unlikely that new users would know about free karma subs. Those seem more like places for experienced redditors to get new accounts off the ground.
Comment by Ashe_Faelsdon at 25/02/2020 at 02:13 UTC
6 upvotes, 1 direct replies
That's a little bit of disingenuous speech. ANY user can merely reply to comments and receive enough karma to post anywhere, as long as they aren't abusive. They'll get their 1 karma at a time and over time (a very little as long as they're responsive) they'll receive enough to post anywhere. They merely need to speak in response to posts on whatever subreddit they're interested in posting to. AND they can reply on those they're not interested in, and receive even more karma that will allow them to post and reply to many subreddits that aren't interested in where you get your karma from.
Comment by Alaharon123 at 25/02/2020 at 13:23 UTC
3 upvotes, 0 direct replies
That's pretty bullshit. Just include in the on-boarding that users should expect to have to comment for a bit before they're allowed to post. How would a new user even discover karma farming? If they're looking for that, they're probably a bad actor trying to circumvent the system in which case they don't deserve the karma.
Comment by [deleted] at 25/02/2020 at 17:17 UTC
3 upvotes, 0 direct replies
The Crowd Control pilot sub has been dead and effectively abandoned for months and I have yet to receive any real details about an important concern (to me) that I raised there. *Are* you working on it? Because it seems to me like you're not.
That besides, you are fundamentally missing the point of the aggressive karma rules. Your absurd lack of screening at the time of account creation leaves the doors wide open for bad actors to perpetually invade Reddit as much as they want. Brand new accounts are an untenable risk for moderators to allow to participate freely and you have consistently refused to address that issue.
Comment by [deleted] at 25/02/2020 at 17:00 UTC
3 upvotes, 0 direct replies
How about if you decide to remove the free karma groups you remove all comment karma from users given through that sub. Right now karma is tracked by sub, so removing the group and karma seems fesable.
Comment by HidingCat at 25/02/2020 at 06:00 UTC
3 upvotes, 0 direct replies
Reddit had very limited tools
Had? I'd say it still has, even with some of the good work you've all put it. There've been quite a few situations where I've thought, "it'd be nice if we could do that but it's not in the mod tools."
Comment by cayne at 25/02/2020 at 00:21 UTC
4 upvotes, 1 direct replies
Due to the mention of these subs, I've posted in one (just for fun, certainly not for 10 karma more) and since you have mentioned, that it isn't forbidden - I didn't think of anything. Until I received a message from the mods of /r/videos that I'm permanently banned for posting in that karma sub? How is that even possible? No warning, nothing? This is very worrying.
I hope they unban me, but still, this is bonkers.
Comment by HMWWaWChChIaWChCChW at 25/02/2020 at 02:28 UTC
6 upvotes, 0 direct replies
Those subs are especially bad because new users don’t realize until it’s too late that certain popular subs ban users for simply making a post in those farm subs.
Comment by [deleted] at 24/02/2020 at 22:41 UTC
5 upvotes, 0 direct replies
aggressive karma rules, which mods set up
YOU FUCKING CONTROL REDDIT! How is this even an issue for you?!?!
Comment by lusvig at 25/02/2020 at 17:52 UTC*
2 upvotes, 0 direct replies
Comments in the daily discussion thread in /r/neoliberal are attacked by vote manipulators on an almost daily basis! What can users and moderators do to fight the onslaught of manipulators?
Comment by metastasis_d at 25/02/2020 at 02:41 UTC
4 upvotes, 0 direct replies
which mods set up when Reddit had very limited tools
This implies that we currently have the tools to counter spammers, but we still don't.
Comment by [deleted] at 25/02/2020 at 06:40 UTC
2 upvotes, 0 direct replies
So, the answer is you're fucking lazy? The subreddits and pertinent guidelines it breaks were linked but you won't remove it?
Comment by Unreal_Competition at 25/02/2020 at 18:37 UTC
1 upvotes, 0 direct replies
Can you define "bad actor"? Could this definition include persons who criticize the Reddit platform, its affiliated corporations, or who express opinions and ideologies that are different from those held by Reddit's owners? (I had to wait around 6 minutes to post this honest question, which was sort of annoying)
Comment by THE_GR8_MIKE at 25/02/2020 at 05:16 UTC
1 upvotes, 0 direct replies
Why not put them on lock until it's figured out then? The only people who would be upset would be people who karma farm who we shouldn't give any consideration to in the first place.
Comment by [deleted] at 25/02/2020 at 02:56 UTC
1 upvotes, 0 direct replies
Maybe disable karma in popular subs for starters. People can't discuss topics in r/politics or r/news or r/worldnews. If you ask a question because you arent current on events people assume you asking in bad faith and delete 100karma. Can be very hard on new users who want to participate in default subs
Comment by ntgt at 24/02/2020 at 22:23 UTC
1 upvotes, 0 direct replies
we’re working on tools like Crowd Control
So investments are not the only thing you guys took from China?
Comment by fsck-N at 25/02/2020 at 03:03 UTC
1 upvotes, 0 direct replies
What limits your ability to edit other peoples posts?
Are there tools in place to prevent you from ever being able to do that again?
Is it just, "Trust me, I won't do it again."?
Why should anyone here ever trust you again?
Comment by omiwrench at 25/02/2020 at 06:59 UTC
1 upvotes, 0 direct replies
And what about the openly racist subs you still allow? Are you in between a rock and a hard place with those as well?
Comment by timetravelhunter at 24/02/2020 at 23:56 UTC
1 upvotes, 0 direct replies
Why does reddit get to do vote manipulation but the users don't? Pick one or the other or you are hypocritical.
Comment by tanay2043 at 25/02/2020 at 02:46 UTC
1 upvotes, 0 direct replies
It's very good to see Reddit listen to users and find solutions for their problems. It's my first time using Reddit and I am already loving it. This is what you call Transparency. Hats off to you guys!
Comment by ultra-royalist at 24/02/2020 at 22:27 UTC
1 upvotes, 0 direct replies
Crowd Control is brilliant. Can we have a trigger in automod to spam Crowd Control marked posts, so that manual approval can be in effect?