-882 upvotes, 61 direct replies (showing 25)
View submission: Karma for text-posts (AKA self-posts)
Thank you for the feedback. We're going to be monitoring the effect that this change has. I ask that you try this change out and see what the impact is on your moderation team's workload. You can post feedback in r/modsupport.
Also, to add, this is quite a huge change to dump on moderators without any heads up what-so-ever.
Yeah, I understand this. We're talking internally about how to handle announcing updates like this better going forward.
Comment by ChooseCorrectAnswer at 19/07/2016 at 19:47 UTC
999 upvotes, 15 direct replies
Even as a casual (yet long-term) user of Reddit, it blows my mind that you said admins need to discuss how to tell mods a big, sweeping change will take place. Um, just do it? Literally any effort would be nice instead of nothing. I've seen your exact "we need to consider how to better communicate with mods" comment countless times from admins over the past couple+ years. This record is so broken it's a tiny pile of dust now.
Comment by Norci at 19/07/2016 at 20:03 UTC*
228 upvotes, 2 direct replies
I ask that you try this change out and see what the impact is on your moderation team's workload.
We'd like to ask you to revert this change, and try talking to the community and mods before implementing such stuff next time.
We're talking internally about how to handle announcing updates like this better going forward.
Please stop. Nobody's buying that. That's what you were doing last year after blackout fiasco.
Comment by tuvok302 at 19/07/2016 at 19:54 UTC*
59 upvotes, 0 direct replies
So, do the admins actually think about what effect their changes are going to have on the site? Or are you guys actively trying to piss off your userbase enough they lock down every default subreddit for a day in protest again? This "we dropped the ball" thing is getting over-played, and every time I hear the admins talk about something they say they'll be more open and communicate better with the mods, and every time I'm sadly disappointed by how the admins act towards the mods. If this was the first time the admins had ignored and forgotten about the mods, your excuse about dropping the ball would be acceptable but now it's just par for the course.
Comment by codeverity at 19/07/2016 at 20:15 UTC
124 upvotes, 4 direct replies
Yeah, I understand this. We're talking internally about how to handle announcing updates like this better going forward.
....?????
Step One: Reach out to the mods with an idea
Step Two: Get Feedback
Step Three: Decide whether or not to release said idea
It's really not that difficult.
Comment by TheMentalist10 at 19/07/2016 at 19:43 UTC
877 upvotes, 7 direct replies
We're talking internally about how to handle announcing updates like this better going forward.
This is an admin meme at this point. Saying it over and over again has done almost nothing towards making it true.
Comment by Vormhats_Wormhat at 19/07/2016 at 20:01 UTC
73 upvotes, 4 direct replies
Serious question: does Reddit employ actual project or product managers? Anybody with either of those titles (worth their salt) should understand basic change management principals and be able to handle announcements like this better than this.
I'm not a mod so I don't really care, just curious as to what your PM team is doing if not stuff like this.
Comment by UnholyDemigod at 20/07/2016 at 01:14 UTC
37 upvotes, 3 direct replies
AKA "we're useless shitcunts who don't know how to run the website, and choose to ignore the mods who actually do". You fuckers had a god damn google hangout with the default mods a week and a half ago, and you couldn't have dropped this info on us then?
> We're talking internally about how to handle announcing updates like this better going forward.
We closed down subs a year ago when you fired Victoria in a strike, demanding you communicate with mods more and actually tell us what the fuck is going on. You *promised* you would talk more with us. With the hangout just gone (where us mods learned fucking nothing because every response was political sidestepping bullshit), today where you just drop this huge change on us, and your bullshit answer of "we're talking internally", you have been proven to be a **lying group of fucking cunts**. We ended the blackout because of promises given. We should just start it the fuck back up again
Comment by thirdegree at 19/07/2016 at 19:41 UTC
275 upvotes, 3 direct replies
Comment by MustacheEmperor at 19/07/2016 at 20:11 UTC
13 upvotes, 1 direct replies
The thing reddit admins seem best at is talking internally, since that gets promised all the time without any actual results. How do the conversations typically go?
so the mods are really upset about this
but they're still running the subreddits and we're making even more in ad revenue right?
yeah, that's right.
Comment by wasmachien at 19/07/2016 at 19:42 UTC
65 upvotes, 0 direct replies
We're talking internally about how to handle announcing updates like this better going forward.
Where have I heard that before.
Comment by [deleted] at 19/07/2016 at 19:58 UTC
25 upvotes, 0 direct replies
Yeah, I understand this. We're talking internally about how to handle announcing updates like this better going forward.
You guys have said this a few times already...
Comment by [deleted] at 19/07/2016 at 19:43 UTC
46 upvotes, 2 direct replies
Have you tried asking the community what our thoughts are first, instead of pushing these changes unexpectedly and with no prior discussion?
Comment by [deleted] at 19/07/2016 at 19:56 UTC
15 upvotes, 0 direct replies
We're talking internally about how to handle announcing updates like this better going forward.
What's there really to talk about? Just do a better job talking to mods and give warnings before a change this big.
I would suggest a private subreddit for the admins and default moderators.
Comment by [deleted] at 19/07/2016 at 20:00 UTC
24 upvotes, 0 direct replies
Please actually follow through this time. I'm not a mod, but I'm sick of you guys making false promises.
Comment by IAMGODDESSOFCATSAMA at 20/07/2016 at 04:32 UTC
7 upvotes, 0 direct replies
hey mods we're gonna be totally transparent with you guys
hey users we're making a fundamental change about the posting mechanism on reddit
mods: "I thought you were gonna be transparent?"
we weren't sure how to tell you
This is like breaking up with someone by letting them see you with your new boyfriend/girlfriend
Comment by DuhTrutho at 19/07/2016 at 21:20 UTC*
4 upvotes, 0 direct replies
Yeah, I understand this. We're talking internally about how to handle announcing updates like this better going forward.
Haven't you guys given pretty much this exact response to this issue before?
How hard is just telling mods about possible upcoming changes and asking for feedback. It's such an easy solution I know you have to just not care about what mods have to say at this point.
I can't help but feel that you pushed this through so fast because of the benefits you see to reap from being linked back through from self posts. Reddit needs to make money through advertising some way, and having backlinks is attractive.
Comment by cup-o-farts at 19/07/2016 at 21:53 UTC
7 upvotes, 1 direct replies
Got to be kidding me. Haven't you figured out how to announce shit like this since the whole /r/askreddit fiasco went down??? Are you guys even fucking talking or do you put this type of shit up just to placate people? How do you not see how much more work this is going to cause? How do you not see the whole reason for subs having self only posts as a way to limit the effect of Karma on shitposts? Pull your fucking head out of your asses!
Comment by newhereok at 19/07/2016 at 19:41 UTC
110 upvotes, 3 direct replies
This comment is so empty it hurts.
Comment by NvaderGir at 19/07/2016 at 20:04 UTC
22 upvotes, 3 direct replies
You guys said this *last time!*
Comment by [deleted] at 19/07/2016 at 23:14 UTC
3 upvotes, 0 direct replies
I'm going to blast Reddit and you at the moment are the face i see of reddit despite you only being a part of it but here it is.
Not allowing large subreddits to prepare for this is unacceptable behavior. I understand there is probably a fear of moderators potentially leaking the announcement, but so be it. They already run this site on volunteer hours and Reddit just shits on them.
Comment by MrDannyOcean at 20/07/2016 at 02:09 UTC
3 upvotes, 0 direct replies
Yeah, I understand this. We're talking internally about how to handle announcing updates like this better going forward.
haha, no you won't. You'll drop some other big announcement in a few months that will fuck over some subgroup or subreddit and then act SHOCKED, SHOCKED I SAY that it didn't go smoothly.
Comment by AddictiveSombrero at 19/07/2016 at 19:47 UTC
14 upvotes, 0 direct replies
There was really no point to this. Can you stop fucking up, please?
Comment by lawlore at 20/07/2016 at 01:29 UTC
3 upvotes, 0 direct replies
We're talking internally about how to handle announcing updates like this better going forward.
No, you're not.
Comment by jkdeadite at 19/07/2016 at 20:55 UTC
3 upvotes, 0 direct replies
It's almost as if you guys don't really care that hundreds of people put in thousands of free labor hours to run your site...
Comment by RunningInSquares at 19/07/2016 at 23:15 UTC
2 upvotes, 0 direct replies
Yeah, I understand this. We're talking internally about how to handle announcing updates like this better going forward.
Uh...propose a change and ask people what they think before just making a unilateral decision. Stop jerking us around. The solution to that problem is so easy there's no way you're truly "thinking of better ways to handle it."