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It will always be a useful tool for fighting spammers, but we are working as fast as we can on more nuanced tools for users who violate other rules so they have a chance to learn from their mistakes.
Comment by jpflathead at 05/08/2015 at 20:44 UTC*
1015 upvotes, 19 direct replies
exist solely to annoy other redditors, prevent us from improving Reddit, and generally make Reddit worse for everyone else
Clearly SRS is not even on the same continent as bad as /r/c..t..n but SRS does exist solely to harass people on reddit and their mission statement is to make reddit's life miserable. And you are letting them succeed.
SRS, and AMR are not there to discuss ideas. They are there to stifle dissent, police ideas, shame/slander/harass people and keep ideas they dislike from being an acceptable part of conversation.
As one example: explain why most of reddit now uses np links and srs refuses to use np links.
You can allow them to exist, but you should stop giving them preferential treatment, either out of cowardice, or out of cowardice.
ETA:
/u/spez here is an example of SRS members writing rape threats to a redditor they dislike and a reddit mod (and former admin? intortus doing nothing about it EXCEPT banning the victim)
https://www.reddit.com/r/MensLib/comments/3fy3se/question_about_the_recruitment_drive/ctt4t10
Comment by CozyHeartPenguin at 05/08/2015 at 21:34 UTC
108 upvotes, 4 direct replies
My first account was shadowbanned and despite a long period of time where I tried to find out why it had happened, so I could at least learn from whatever mistake I had made, I was ignored. It would be nice if there was at least a bot who could message us with a reason.
Comment by Zezombye at 05/08/2015 at 20:40 UTC
14 upvotes, 2 direct replies
It is still a useful tool against spammers though? What's preventing spammers to check their user page to see if they're not banned, and then creating a new account? Doesn't most spammers by now have something to bypass shadowbans, and doesn't shadowbans only inconvenience real users?
Comment by jimlast3 at 05/08/2015 at 20:45 UTC
117 upvotes, 3 direct replies
As a former shadow banned person , I'd like to thank you.
Comment by midasz at 05/08/2015 at 20:45 UTC
26 upvotes, 2 direct replies
It will never be a useful tool for fighting spammers since spammers can simply write a script to check if they're shadowbanned. C'mon spez, you need to quit the shadowbans. They only hurt actual users.
Comment by [deleted] at 05/08/2015 at 21:42 UTC
3 upvotes, 0 direct replies
Shadow banning has also always been a good tool by reddit mods to censor people with certain political beliefs. I've had COUNTLESS accounts shadowbanned for nothing more than political beliefs that had nothing racist, sexist, or homophobic.
Comment by ALLAH_WAS_A_SANDWORM at 05/08/2015 at 20:51 UTC
7 upvotes, 0 direct replies
What will happen to already shadowbanned users? Will there be some sort of amnesty for them?
Comment by Lawsoffire at 05/08/2015 at 20:49 UTC*
3 upvotes, 0 direct replies
why not some sort of quarantine for people too? like how negative comments get hidden you get:
Comment by Robin_Claassen at 06/08/2015 at 20:26 UTC*
1 upvotes, 0 direct replies
In the past, you've said made the more narrow qualification that shadow banning should only be used on spam *bots*. You've said "real users should never be shadowbanned" (screenshot[1]) (which of course they have been in many widely talked-about instances in this censorship debate, /u/dancingqueen90 and /u/go1dfish[2], for example).
1: https://i.imgur.com/88CapdU.jpg
Do you still stand behind that, or do you now feel that it may be appropriate to sometimes use on real people who engage in behavior that could be considered to be "spamming"?
Also, how would you feel about putting down something about shadow banning in an official policy somewhere so that people know how it's intended to be used, and know what to do if they are improperly shadowbanned?
Comment by seandalawn at 05/08/2015 at 23:33 UTC
1 upvotes, 0 direct replies
I have a 4 (or 5) year old account that got shadowbanned without any warnings because I compulsively upvoted one of its threads on a secondary account (not the actual reason I was on the secondary, I was just posting under a different username and still had my original thread up in another tab). Any chance I'll be able to appeal this ban with the new policies? I've literally never been banned from anywhere else on the internet, and it's really ridiculous that I was banned so quickly and without warning for such a small thing.
Comment by JosephND at 05/08/2015 at 21:11 UTC
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Yeah, good luck with that.
I was shadowbanned once for telling someone to remove a phone number so that they wouldn't get shadowbanned. I've seen shadowbans for dissenting opinions, pro/anti discussions, and let's not forget Pao censorship.
/logical
Comment by Hexogen at 06/08/2015 at 02:30 UTC
1 upvotes, 0 direct replies
What, are you going to invent some sort of ban that has an expiration and an explanation of said ban? Maybe some sort of warning/strike system that ultimately leads to various levels of bans?
Must be incredibly complicated, I've never seen such a thing before.
Oh wait, I'm mistaken. Those tools have existed on pretty much every forum, imageboard, community based website since the 90's.
Comment by [deleted] at 05/08/2015 at 21:09 UTC
1 upvotes, 0 direct replies
Is it really a useful tool to fight spammers? It seems extremely simple to write sme code that checks to see if its spam is getting through. Cross referencing with another, silent account for instance.
Plus its abuse is endemic on the site. I'm not really seeing how keeping it around is a good tradeoff.
Comment by dingoperson2 at 05/08/2015 at 21:03 UTC*
2 upvotes, 0 direct replies
Thanks for that.
No response was had after this.
Comment by msiekkinen at 05/08/2015 at 21:09 UTC
1 upvotes, 0 direct replies
There is wordaging saying multiple accounts are not allowed "to evade bans". Does that mean the spirit is banning accounts anyone that had been before? Plenty have people have multiple accounts to silo their histories or reputations in different subs.
Comment by jlrc2 at 05/08/2015 at 21:51 UTC
1 upvotes, 1 direct replies
Why do some of your posts in this thread have your name highlighted in blue (like any other OP) and others in red (like the admin you are)?
Quick edit: /u/spez highlighted in both blue and red
Comment by [deleted] at 06/08/2015 at 00:30 UTC
1 upvotes, 0 direct replies
New more nuanced tools for admins and mods to abuse in impunity as their actions will be even less detectable than shadow bans.
Sure, it cost us our freedon of speech but look, racism no longer exist, we did it reddit.
Comment by belil569 at 06/08/2015 at 01:50 UTC
1 upvotes, 0 direct replies
You have said repeatedly that shadowbanning is for spammers only. Yet numerous shadowbannings have been issued since then to users that are not spammers in the slightest definition of the word. Care to clarify?
Comment by [deleted] at 05/08/2015 at 20:51 UTC
2 upvotes, 0 direct replies
It's also a useful tool for people who say things that Reddit admins don't like amirite?
Comment by billndotnet at 06/08/2015 at 00:11 UTC
1 upvotes, 0 direct replies
What are your thoughts on requiring both minimum account age and minimum karma levels (ie, active participation) to be able to create a subreddit?
Comment by Mr_Thunders at 06/08/2015 at 02:23 UTC
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And yet more and more shadowbans go out every day at a higher rate than ever. Stop telling people what they want to hear and give us something.
Comment by MrSourceUnknown at 05/08/2015 at 20:57 UTC
1 upvotes, 0 direct replies
Even so, shouldn't it still get at least an honorable mention as a way in which you enforce anti-spamming regulation?
Comment by [deleted] at 06/08/2015 at 10:35 UTC
1 upvotes, 0 direct replies
Tou did not use shadowbanning to fight spammers you lying cunt.
Comment by Jakeable at 05/08/2015 at 22:19 UTC
1 upvotes, 0 direct replies
Can you give us a preview of said tools?
Comment by badsingularity at 05/08/2015 at 22:14 UTC
0 upvotes, 0 direct replies
Then use it as an automated tool. Redditors aren't complaining about spam. They are complaining about shadowbans.
Shadowbanning is an abusive tool used for censorship, and for mods with a power trip. Give it to your spam bots, but take it away from human hands.
