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View submission: Removing harassing subreddits
We haven’t banned it because that subreddit hasn’t had the recent ongoing issues with harassment, either on-site or off-site. That’s the main difference between the subreddits that were banned and those that are being mentioned in the comments - they might be hateful or distasteful, but were not actively engaging in organized harassment of individuals. /r/shitredditsays does come up a lot in regard to brigading, although it’s usually not the only subreddit involved. We’re working on developing better solutions for the brigading problem.
Comment by smacksaw at 10/06/2015 at 21:31 UTC
146 upvotes, 2 direct replies
We haven’t banned it because that subreddit hasn’t had the recent ongoing issues with harassment, either on-site or off-site.
Can you please explain all of the people publicly complaining about it?
/u/Sporkicide - I was a subscriber to FPH despite being banned there and I read their comments very carefully on a regular basis. Aside from the drama with /r/offmychest (who are just as guilty and should be banned for the same reasoning), I have not seen any sort of organised malfeasance. Are you saying it happened as a result of FPH? That's possible, but I don't see how it was organised by FPH or how banning it will stop these same harassers from using a different platform to continue this supposed campaign of harassment.
That’s the main difference between the subreddits that were banned and those that are being mentioned in the comments - they might be hateful or distasteful, but were not actively engaging in organized harassment of individuals.
A lot of us would really appreciate it if you would understand this idea I am going to attempt to convey to you:
People constantly complain about SRS and SRD because they publicly organise harassment and brigading. Perhaps even privately as has been accused of FPH. Maybe they all do that. I don't know as I participate in none of them.
All you hear is people complaining about harassment and brigading from SRS/SRD-related subreddits. Are you saying it's the Streisand Effect where it's just an amplified rumour? Because a lot of people seem to be upset about *something* happening to them.
With FPH you see them mainly keeping to themselves, but their attitude has absolutely leaked into the rest of reddit. Their culture is everywhere, but I don't see how it's an organised effort by the community to spread it more than a "hate awakening" which was catalysed by the subreddit itself rather than directed by it. Which is a big difference.
Let me say this again:
/r/shitredditsays does come up a lot in regard to brigading
Your problem is simple: FPH changed the tenor of reddit. It changed the culture. You have banned it because it's leaking. Which is fine. If that is how it goes, that's how it goes.
But the exact same is true for SRS. Their culture of harassment has been allowed to thrive and grow for a lot longer. Furthermore, FPH wouldn't exist without SRS because SRS is so divisive that it causes people to overreact and snap back the other way.
You have two choices, which are to ban every extreme subreddit or do what reddit was originally designed to do, which is tolerate even offencive things. But if you pick a winner and loser and don't apply justice evenly you are going to make this even worse.
Comment by uvulectomy at 10/06/2015 at 21:16 UTC
286 upvotes, 2 direct replies
[citation needed]
Seriously, the entire POINT of SRS is to harass people who have the temerity to disagree with them. Doxxing, combing post histories of people they don't like to find something to tear into them about, out and out hatred of anyone "against" their ideals, etc...
But since your little schpeel talks about "protecting the right of people to express their views..." then will the following views be protected or silenced?
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"I believe Emma Sulkowicz is a fraud. The evidence leads me to believe she made the whole thing up as revenge for being spurned by a hookup."
"I believe that false accusations of rape happen more than SRS wants you to believe. This undermines the credibility of REAL rape victims, who will be less likely to come forward."
"I believe that requiring evidence of a crime in order to convict is not 'victim-blaming' or 'rape apologizing', rather it's adhering to one of the core tenets of our legal system. That being "Innocent unless PROVEN guilty.""
"I believe individuals proven to have falsified rape claims should be sentenced to the same amount of time the person they accused would have faced. Note that I said proven to have falsified, not simply failed to prove a crime took place."
"I believe the public shaming of an accused individual before a trial even takes place is wrong."
"I believe the rights of the accused are every bit as important as the rights of the alleged victims, because otherwise there is no justice."
"I believe that it is better for 100 guilty people to go free, rather than have one innocent suffer loss of life, freedom, or dignity."
"I believe SRS is a hate sub that should be banned under the same logic used to ban FPH."
"I believe Ellen Pao is utterly corrupt, and is abusing her power as an admin to further her own fiscal and political agenda."
"I believe everyone has the right to express their own opinion, no matter how offensive, vile, or inappropriate. If you don't like it, don't listen/watch/read."
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There. These are some of my views. You now have a couple of options. You downvote, which means you are abusing the system to eliminate something you disagree with (because I AM adding to the conversation), you can ignore (which is your right), or you can delete this comment and/or shadowban me, proving your hypocrisy, favoritism, and corruption.
The choice is yours, admins.
Comment by Goleeb at 10/06/2015 at 22:58 UTC
16 upvotes, 0 direct replies
but were not actively engaging in organized harassment of individuals.
/r/shitredditsays[1] does come up a lot in regard to brigading, although it’s usually not the only subreddit involved.
So because multiple subreddits are involved both of said subreddits are immune to being banned ? That seems like a huge loophole.
It seems like you guys are afraid to ban any of the big subbreddits with this new rule. If you have a new rule it should apply universally or not at all. Or there is some other agenda going on here. I can't imagine there were only three subbreddits that broke this rule.
Comment by [deleted] at 10/06/2015 at 23:08 UTC
29 upvotes, 1 direct replies
Maybe you should ask some of the mods from FPH to moderate SRS, they did a great job controlling brigading. Actually, they kept all of the fat hate confined to their sub, like a proper mod team should. Why you had to go and stir the hornets nest is beyond me. Now instead of having 150k people saying things you dislike in one sub, you pissed them all off and left them with nowhere to go. Your bullshit "harassment" excuse is just hypocrisy, because SRS is just as hateful. Reddit as a company may not have to allow free speech, but apparently you don't remember why reddit became so popular. Free speech has been a staple of Reddit since long before Emperor Pao decided to come on board, and it was the whole reason why it became so popular. Now watch as the mass exodus begins, and and any hope of turning reddit into a profitable site disappears (because that's what this is really about, isn't it?).
Comment by [deleted] at 10/06/2015 at 23:34 UTC
36 upvotes, 1 direct replies
I was a member of FPH and they absolutely did not engage in organized harassment of individuals.
All personal information was blocked out, no one was doxxed--in fact any members who attempted to doxx or provide enough information for others to doxx were banned. FPH routinely put out notices not to brigade.
If you want to call what FPH did "harassment," you're going to have to do one of two things:
1. Apply a definition of harassment so broad as to permit the banning of a substantial number of subreddits including the ones you so adamantly defend here, like SRS, OR:
2. Provide evidence that FPH "actively engag[ed] in organized harassment of individuals" in such a way that their safety was actually threatened.
I'm betting you can't do either of those.
But then, you did say you're all for transparency, didn't you?
Cough up the evidence, or GTFO.
Comment by ITSigno at 10/06/2015 at 23:42 UTC
30 upvotes, 1 direct replies
What about *anything* in the /r/badsubhub network? They're set up for exclusive purpose of mocking and harassing other users for what they deem as bad history/philosophy/science/etc.
And /r/SubredditDrama?
If you folks are actually against harassment, you might want to start with subs that actually harass, mock, brigade, and so on.
Keep those subreddit bans coming. When you're done, we can all enjoy a flavorless watered-down reddit that will surely not offend anyone.
Comment by BearzuSmash at 10/06/2015 at 22:28 UTC*
167 upvotes, 1 direct replies
SRS is the very prototype of a board dedicated to harassment/brigading, and the standard to which all internet mobs should aspire.
To simply handwave away concerns over their continued behaviour while condemning others' speaks volumes about the politics involved in these decisions. Bravo.
Comment by SelfReconstruct at 10/06/2015 at 23:35 UTC
976 upvotes, 3 direct replies
SRS was posting nudes of a popular streamer that were posted without his consent.
If it was female, it would of been banned like all the fappening related subreddits.
Comment by [deleted] at 11/06/2015 at 00:00 UTC
8 upvotes, 0 direct replies
like what? What are you working on? What have you come up with so far?
What about the other racist/homophobic/illegal subreddits? What about /r/photoplunder ? How is that not essentially revenge porn, which is illegal? How does that get to stay?
Let us all know when you actually start to give a fuck about what you're all preaching, rather than making token gestures to appease a vocal minority. Maybe then people would support you, rather than see it for the bullshit it is.
Comment by [deleted] at 10/06/2015 at 22:27 UTC
37 upvotes, 0 direct replies
Care to explain why you allow /r/RapingWomen (NSFW)? Absolutely fucking ridiculous. That's about as much harassment as you can give to someone. You aren't going to find me on /r/TwoXChromosomes either, and even I recognize that.
Comment by welderblyad at 11/06/2015 at 00:54 UTC*
9 upvotes, 0 direct replies
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Comment by irtehawesome at 10/06/2015 at 22:57 UTC
50 upvotes, 0 direct replies
I like how nobody believes this horse shit.
"What did you do at work today"
"Violated everything reddit stands for, censored content on the internet, and then tried to lie through my teeth to justify my stupidity"
"Did it work"
"Fuck no, we're hated more now then ever"
"Oh, then why do it"
"Because we're fucking stupid, apparently".
Comment by [deleted] at 11/06/2015 at 02:36 UTC
26 upvotes, 1 direct replies
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Comment by chrwei at 10/06/2015 at 19:23 UTC
467 upvotes, 2 direct replies
what's the critical difference in "actively engaging in organized harassment" and "brigading" that gets one a ban and not the other?
Comment by 16intheclip at 10/06/2015 at 22:34 UTC
50 upvotes, 0 direct replies
We’re working on developing better solutions for the brigading problem.
Meanwhile, other subs were warned or even removed for one or two offenses of "brigading". You're pretty pathetic in your excuses. Sorry.
Comment by Folsomdsf at 10/06/2015 at 22:43 UTC
12 upvotes, 0 direct replies
You do know that SRS as a sub solely exists to brigade and harass other reddit users. Please tell me you're just a frequent SRS user defending it, it's the only explantion that keeps my faith in humanity as an intelligent species.
Comment by [deleted] at 10/06/2015 at 22:49 UTC
15 upvotes, 0 direct replies
That's a lie, especially when you can easily track user activity.
As long as the SRS group of subreddits exist, you are explicitly approving of their policy violations. Getting rid of them is an easy solution.
Comment by [deleted] at 10/06/2015 at 22:30 UTC
99 upvotes, 1 direct replies
Total fucking lies.
SRS openly permits the harassment of individuals, you're either too arrogant to admit it or too ignorant to recognize it.
Comment by SlothOfDoom at 10/06/2015 at 22:43 UTC
28 upvotes, 0 direct replies
Really? REALLY?
The double standard is strong with this one.
Don't get me wrong, all of the banned subreddits were full of terrible shit, but claiming SRS isn't just as bad is...wow....I don't even have words.
Comment by ghotionInABarrel at 10/06/2015 at 22:00 UTC
161 upvotes, 6 direct replies
I didn't know about /r/shitredditsays until this post. I looked at it, and it took me a minute to figure out it wasn't satire. Seriously, if you're going to ban any subreddit you should start there.
Comment by JBHUTT09 at 10/06/2015 at 23:05 UTC
253 upvotes, 2 direct replies
As someone who has been personally harassed by SRS, I'm glad to know I wasn't really harassed! Thanks for protecting me!/s
Comment by catullus48108 at 11/06/2015 at 02:50 UTC
12 upvotes, 0 direct replies
We haven’t banned it because that subreddit hasn’t had the recent ongoing issues with harassment
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That’s the main difference between the subreddits that were banned and those that are being mentioned in the comments - they might be hateful or distasteful, but were not actively engaging in organized harassment of individuals
I think you actually believe this and that is unfortunate. Of all the subs that should be banned for harassment and brigading, SRS has and continues to be at the top of the list, but it is my right to ignore/mute them. The fact Admins did ban other subs before SRS is a small part of the main issue.
The main issue is the user base wants a free and open site and for the most part, Reddit used to be that site. The poor business decisions made in February are only compounded by today's decisions.
Failing to learn from history is a common flaw in humans. Reddit failing to learn where a large portion of its user base came from and why they left the previous site, dooms Reddit to repeat the same mistakes.
Comment by that-writer-kid at 11/06/2015 at 03:43 UTC
21 upvotes, 0 direct replies
We haven’t banned it because that subreddit hasn’t had the recent ongoing issues with harassment, either on-site or off-site.
Are you kidding me? Are you actually kidding me? They've literally doxxed people. They're the most visible trolls on this site.
Comment by Pureburn at 11/06/2015 at 01:05 UTC
10 upvotes, 0 direct replies
ha·rass·ment həˈrasmənt,ˈherəsmənt/ noun aggressive pressure or intimidation
You can honestly sit there and disagree that the brigading done by ShitRedditSays IS NOT pressure or intimidating and DOESN'T squelch free speech?
Comment by Dusk_Walker at 10/06/2015 at 21:40 UTC
61 upvotes, 1 direct replies
That's bullshit, and you know it.
What about /r/coontown? That sub's still here. What in the hell is up with that logic?