β€˜Eastern European discrimination awareness month’ part 4. More stories of Eastern European’s facing racism/xenophobia, discrimination in Europe.

https://www.reddit.com/gallery/p46tnq

created by redwhiterosemoon on 14/08/2021 at 12:06 UTC

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Comment by CitoyenEuropeen at 14/08/2021 at 12:26 UTC

1 upvotes, 1 direct replies

πŸ‡ͺπŸ‡Ί **ALLE**

πŸ‡ͺπŸ‡Ί **MENSCHEN**

πŸ‡ͺπŸ‡Ί **WERDEN**

πŸ‡ͺπŸ‡Ί **BRÜDER**

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This mod team wishes to thank u/redwhiterosemoon for their eye-opening-eye-watering Eastern European Discrimination Awareness Month citizen initiative.

We are the lucky ones in this community, r/YUROP is proudly united in love... mostly. Still, even when toxicity is present, it can be sourced to all but a ludicrously small number of users. We are an Union of Peace, Freude!

1: https://www.reddit.com/r/poland/comments/otc52w/its_eastern_european_discrimination_awareness/

2: https://www.reddit.com/r/poland/comments/owc7ob/following_my_eastern_european_discrimination/

3: https://www.reddit.com/r/poland/comments/ozz1w8/eastern_european_discrimination_awareness_month/

But in the Name of the Twelve Stars on a Blue Background did you give us dark nightmares and food for thoughts. Mods here feel compelled to action[4] and agree we could do better together. It’s not funny anymore.[5]

4: https://www.reddit.com/r/EuropeMeta/comments/oteauy/my_post_about_xenophobia_and_discrimination/

5: https://ec.europa.eu/home-affairs/sites/default/files/what-we-do/networks/radicalisation_awareness_network/ran-papers/docs/ran_ad-hoc_pap_fre_humor_20210215_en.pdf

We updated **r/YUROP rules**[6] to experiment some innovative granularity in mod actions or whatever.

6: https://www.reddit.com/r/YUROP/about/rules/

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πŸ‡ͺπŸ‡Ί You won't solve xenophobia by "let's just be nice :)"

Credit u/Yharnam_Queen

We will focus on forwarding infringements to rule #2 `No xenophobia, racism, sexism, homophobia or transphobia` towards awesome Reddit's Anti-Evil Team.

These posts or comments shall be reported as `SUBMIT A HATE REPORT` by subscribers + mods.

Please avoid reporting as `BREAKS R/YUROP RULES`.

Community will be **STRONKER** by acting **TOGETHER**.

πŸ‡ͺπŸ‡Ί New rule : let's just be nice :)

Credit u/tizorres

If an user goes out of their way to upset others by not adhering to the following etiquette guidelines, their comments can be moderated.
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β”‚ **Remember the human**[7]             β”‚                                      β”‚
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β”‚ **Remember the group**[8]             β”‚                                      β”‚
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β”‚ **Respect Privacy**[9]                β”‚                                      β”‚
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β”‚ **Follow Reddit's official policies** β”‚ Reddit, Inc. Privacy Policy[10]      β”‚
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β”‚                                       β”‚ Reddit Content Policy[11]            β”‚
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β”‚                                       β”‚ Reddit User Agreement[12]            β”‚
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β”‚                                       β”‚ Illegal activities[13]               β”‚
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β”‚ **Don’t be vitriolic**                β”‚ Toxic[14]                            β”‚
β”œβ”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”Όβ”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€
β”‚                                       β”‚ Flaming[15]                          β”‚
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β”‚                                       β”‚ Trolling[16]                         β”‚
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β”‚                                       β”‚ Harassment[17]                       β”‚
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β”‚                                       β”‚ Disruptive behavior[19]              β”‚
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β”‚                                       β”‚ Cussing[20]                          β”‚
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β”‚ **Follow Rediquette**                 β”‚ .πŸ‡«πŸ‡·.[21] - .πŸ‡©πŸ‡ͺ.[22] - .πŸ‡³πŸ‡±.[23] -     β”‚
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7: https://www.reddit.com/r/CasualConversation/wiki/etiquette#wiki_remember_the_human

8: https://www.reddit.com/r/CasualConversation/wiki/etiquette#wiki_sensitive_or_controversial_topics

9: https://www.reddit.com/r/CasualConversation/wiki/etiquette#wiki_personal_information

10: https://www.reddit.com/help/privacypolicy

11: https://www.reddit.com/help/contentpolicy

12: https://www.reddit.com/help/useragreement

13: https://www.redditinc.com/policies/guideline-for-law-enforcement

14: https://www.reddit.com/r/CasualConversation/wiki/etiquette#wiki_toxic

15: https://www.reddit.com/r/CasualConversation/wiki/etiquette#wiki_flaming

16: https://www.reddit.com/r/CasualConversation/wiki/etiquette#wiki_trolling

17: https://www.reddit.com/r/CasualConversation/wiki/etiquette#wiki_harassment

18: https://www.reddit.com/r/CasualConversation/wiki/etiquette#wiki_offensive

19: https://www.reddit.com/r/CasualConversation/wiki/etiquette#wiki_disruptive_behavior

20: https://b.thumbs.redditmedia.com/xtGPOrpOihNENKZp6TkovzKDVs3I-tzO6c1KXAC_2Hg.png

21: http://www.reddit.com/wiki/fr/reddiquette

22: http://www.reddit.com/wiki/de/reddiquette

23: http://www.reddit.com/wiki/nl/reddiquette

24: http://www.reddit.com/wiki/pt-br/reddiquette

25: http://www.reddit.com/wiki/es/reddiquette

26: http://www.reddit.com/wiki/sv/reddiquette

27: http://www.reddit.com/wiki/uk-ua/reddiquette

28: https://www.reddithelp.com/hc/en-us/articles/205926439

These changes shall be extended to glorious Forum GΓΆtterfunken Network Federated Subreddits as follows.

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Comment by Hadescat_ at 14/08/2021 at 16:28 UTC

16 upvotes, 1 direct replies

Yeah as a Ukrainian who lived in England (14-21) I've seen my share of stupidity:

"This is your grandma's shawl? Did she make it from your dead cat's fur? Did she make it from her own hair?" "Why are you complaining about the cold? You live in Siberia!" "Suka blyat! Hui! Suka!" "Oh, you're from Kiev! We will call you chicken Kiev!" "Is chicken Kiev made from people in Kiev?" "You're a Russian! Ukraine is a part of Russia" "Say something with a Russian accent!" "Say something like Borat! He is from your country! Kazakhstan is in Ukraine!" "DO YOU HAVE BEARS IN KIEV" "Oh you just drink vodka every day there" "do you have CARS?!?!"

Borat movie honestly fucked up things for me a lot. I hate that movie and I've never seen it just for the reaction of people around me.

And that's in a private school with plenty of international students.

Comment by nnomadic at 18/08/2021 at 12:32 UTC*

6 upvotes, 0 direct replies

I'm an American in the UK and I lived in Poland for a while too. Going to post some of my experiences of racism in both places, just to see how these things are different in different places. Perspective, I guess, with some nuance.

I get shit on here for being American but I got attacked in Poland because someone thought I was a gypsy (I was literally just walking with a friend holding a latte? I look Croat). I saw so much open hostile hatred there it was amazing. I saw a couple from Russia on their honeymoon being screamed at, I got screamed at for confusing Russian with Polish in my Polish classes, I had religous shop keepers give me a hard time because they didn't like the way I looked (buying gifts for religous fam), and I had to translate for an American trying to purchase a souvenir because the shop owner decided to abuse this person (not a Karen, she just seemed lost) then when she left he thanked me in great English. In the short time I was in Poland I saw much more overt racism than anywhere else in Europe, even though its still one of my favourite places and most of the people are fantastic. The people doing this were generally older.

UK is horrible too, but more subtle and snarky (British folks are nasty and callous when they want to be). It's more psychological imo, and not restricted to the older age groups. In four years I've seen one overt attack here but couldn't intervene as I was driving in a dangerous intersection. I still feel guilty about not being able to do something.... I get talked down here a lot and dismissed as stupid due to my accent in the West Country. I have a very Slavic name and people get taken aback when I open my mouth. I can only imagine what others go through.

America is just built on it systemically so they're so far off the scale there there's no comparison.

I'm sorry you all are being treated like this, it isn't right. It doesn't solve any issues or fix anything. Do your part and do what you can to change these outdated ways. Kindness is infectious. Immigrant communities are so much more productive and healthy because they work on building up their situations and they get taken advantage of on the regular. Solidarity to the good folks, it's most of you.

I don't mean this to be dismissive, it's just rampant everywhere and upsetting and I'm angry at the perpetrators. I'm sorry Eastern Europeans get the worst of it here it isn't OK. It's a huge problem. Equity, not equality. Hate only begets more hate. Raise awareness and stop the cycle.

https://onlinepublichealth.gwu.edu/resources/equity-vs-equality/

Edited because I didn't think my wording was good.

Comment by Fish-The-Fish at 14/08/2021 at 23:35 UTC

5 upvotes, 3 direct replies

I got suggested this from r/shitamericanssay so is this basically that but just for when someone talks about europe? Just wondering this is sincere. Thanks from Europe Part 4 (canada) (Part 2 and 3 are New zealand and australia)

Comment by [deleted] at 15/08/2021 at 09:11 UTC

4 upvotes, 0 direct replies

Yeah, they way people from Eastern Europe and also Southern Europe are stereotyped and treated by many in Western Europe is truly disgusting. And it’s not just a case of idiots being openly racist and/or xenophobic - there’s discrimination within many systems, both on a national and intergovernmental level.

Mentioned it recently in regards to the euro. It’s used by wealthier nations as a way to have a lower valued currency and boost exports - yet when the fallout and this unsatisfactory set up hurts smaller and weaker economies then they’re the ones who are punished. Our neighbours, who we proclaim to be in union with, should not be used as a ladder to increase the wealth of wealthy nations - with unity comes shared burdens and shared success, or at least it should.

We can’t forget that discrimination isn’t just a thing that comes from some loudmouth racist idiots but also from seemingly innocent systems.

Comment by kiwlime at 17/08/2021 at 06:19 UTC

5 upvotes, 0 direct replies

Man I dunno why polish people get such a bad rep, up here they’re literal machines that work harder than any Swede, especially the carpenters. They work like 12 hour shifts and make great progress. Half the shit is built by poles

Comment by Competitive_Stick at 14/08/2021 at 18:43 UTC

7 upvotes, 0 direct replies

Thanks for compiling these!

Comment by Freipostierer at 21/08/2021 at 07:45 UTC

2 upvotes, 1 direct replies

I'm German. I don't know if this is just regional, but being polish is essentially a meme here.

Comment by redwhiterosemoon at 14/08/2021 at 12:08 UTC

2 upvotes, 0 direct replies

Part 1 :

https://www.reddit.com/r/poland/comments/otc52w/its_eastern_european_discrimination_awareness/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

Part 2:

https://www.reddit.com/r/poland/comments/owc7ob/following_my_eastern_european_discrimination/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

Part 3:

https://www.reddit.com/r/poland/comments/ozz1w8/eastern_european_discrimination_awareness_month/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

Comment by redwhiterosemoon at 14/08/2021 at 12:08 UTC

1 upvotes, 0 direct replies

Note: If you cannot read the images from your computer, I suggest opening the post on your mobile or tablet. Or right click on the images and open in a new window, then they are easy to read.

Comment by nvoei at 19/08/2021 at 07:52 UTC*

1 upvotes, 0 direct replies

Not sure if I like the idea, the very concept of treating β€œEastern Europe” as a singular place/identity seems to be a major part of the problem. Case in point, Russia seems a lot more foreign to me than Britain (and I live closer to London than to Moscow).

Edit: I live in Western Slovakia.

Edit 2: As for stories, I’ve really only got one - I once got shouted at by a pro-Brexit guy (who actually wasn’t white) at a train station in London, he was arguing with someone about Brexit how all of the UK’s money is β€œgoing to the poorer countries”, I mentioned I was born in SK to correct him on some technicality, and he started saying how β€œwe’re all racists”, and how our the govt at the time didn’t want to take in refugees - mind you, I fucking hated that govt, and puprosely voted against it, not to mention that I’ve always spoken out against any racist opinions I may have heard in the country, and participated in a number of antifascist rallies.