Comment by SpaceFox1935 on 23/12/2023 at 21:29 UTC

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View submission: Russian attacks on EUROPE:

That's a pretty extensive list surely, but some bits stick out and just feel weird. For example, the Sillimae and Narva referendums in Estonia in 1993, is there like legit evidence of involvement of the Russian state?

Russia itself was in a bit of turmoil; could've ended up in a civil war for all we know (at least that's one interpretation of how the 1993 constitutional crisis could've ended up). And while today the Putin dictatorship is known to stop even pro-Putin activists from acting on their own (*any* personal initiative is punished), that...wasn't a thing back then? And also in a near-revolutionary state of affairs, a new state trying to establish itself, a new zeitgeist, "true believers" of all sorts running around...like sure Russian citizens, maybe nazbols or communist sympathizers interfering, but I don't think it'd be fair to put that in the same category of "Russian attacks against Europe" with the hacking of websites which was *definitely* done by the Russian state

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Comment by PoliticalCanvas at 23/12/2023 at 22:00 UTC

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3/4 of list - SLAVAUA2022 work that I don't touched it very much.

About this item I more agree than disagree. Still "Russia itself was in a bit of turmoil" very big simplification. Turmoil was only in form of some lost of central government control, but this don't mean that this control was really lost for Russian officials, now spliced with criminal. And now not so much thinking about some "internationalism/nationalism at any cost" but about "profit at any cost" that sometimes was even worse.