Comment by turtlehabits on 20/01/2025 at 13:35 UTC

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Yes, well. Most people accused of horrible things deny or dispute them.

The article argues that Pavlovich consented to all activities, whether or not she desired them, and that her texts are evidence of this.

I am not here to litigate the facts of the case. I am simply here to point out Rosenfield has conveniently omitted elements of the exposé that don't fit her narrative; namely, that a) by Pavlovich's account, she did not consent to the very first encounter, and b) that the exposé doesn't suggest that we should question Pavlovich's ability to consent because she is a woman, but rather because she was a vulnerable person with a history of abuse.

Finally, we haven't abandoned the court as a venue - Gaiman will not face any *legal* consequences unless tried and convicted in a court of law. But actions have consequences. Surely, if you discovered someone in your social circle was, say, regularly slipping roofies into girls' drinks and proceeding to take advantage of them, you would tell your other friends and choose not to associate with that person anymore. (At least I hope that's the case.) This is simply that same principle writ large.

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Comment by Divtos at 21/01/2025 at 14:56 UTC

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If you’d heard your good friend was doing something bad you’d divest yourself of the friendship and not give them any benefit of the doubt? If so you’d make a pretty shitty friend.