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I've never said everyone in the military would follow illegal orders, either. I've said there are a lot of members that *would* follow those orders.
Here's the million dollar questions:
1. Are there more people willing to not follow illegal orders than there are people willing to go along with them;
2. Are the people willing to say, "NO!" more ready to use violence to maintain that stance than the people who would gladly and eagerly follow any illegal order given by Cheeto Jesus?
There probably are more people who would try to resist following any illegal orders given by Trump and his toadies. I'm not so sure they're ready to resist with force those that would use violence to follow those orders.
Mango Mussolini's todie as SECDEF is going to give illegal orders to deploy the Army and Marines to enforce immigrant deportations. There *will be* members *at all levels* that *will* follow those orders. If you believe otherwise, you have not been listening to your brothers and sisters.
Those orders are going to break the military because the people eager to follow Trumplethinskin's illegal orders are already primed to use force. And they're going to be more willing to resort to force first than those who would resist.
Comment by Acrobatic-Refuse5155 at 03/12/2024 at 02:10 UTC
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I completely agree with everything you are saying. It's the ones who want to follow Trump's orders that will be more than willing to go along with it. Propaganda is a mother fucker and a lot of people have fallen for it.
Comment by [deleted] at 03/12/2024 at 23:03 UTC
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Mango Mussolini's todie as SECDEF is going to give illegal orders to deploy the Army and Marines to enforce immigrant deportations. There *will be* members *at all levels* that *will* follow those orders. If you believe otherwise, you have not been listening to your brothers and sisters.
Yeah this is what people dont get. MOST of the people in the DoD are good people. They signed up to serve their country. And yeah we take an oath, but even though it IS extremely important, if you ask the average joe about the oath, they dont even remember the words. AND alot of those people have families to support, and have been told their entire life that getting separated from the service is a life ending situation.
Those people will be forced to choose between upholding the constitution, and the welfare of their family.
PSA: Im out of the Army now (as of a few weeks ago) but this is just a hypothetical into the mind of a typical E-1 to E-5 (or even 6)
Also, generals arent the ones giving orders to the Joe. If a 4 star came to my unit and talked to me for an hour and told me exactly what to do, if it was in violation of the oath id absolutely not do it, but its because I have no personal stake in the relationship. I dont KNOW this 4 star. Hes a talking head to me.
But my first line? Big Sarge? The dude who has the direct ability to make my life a living hell on a day to day basis? Thats a more complicated situation.
Things will get messy, regardless of an individual soldiers political leanings.
But the people in the service who DO lean towards Trump, who are now emboldened by his win, supported by a large majority of their peers, and do not have an understanding of what is, and isnt, illegal, and have morals that may not align perfectly with the DoD's fundamental guidelines, are probably going to end up doing alot of horrible shit if given the opportunity.