Liberalism and public order- Maintaining functional public systems and spaces *is* progressive

https://open.substack.com/pub/matthewyglesias/p/liberalism-and-public-order?r=394p0y&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email

created by caveatlector73 on 25/11/2024 at 16:23 UTC

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Comment by aintnoonegooglinthat at 26/11/2024 at 04:54 UTC

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By this definition everything George W. Bush stood for could be defined as progressive.

Comment by cleverbeavercleaver at 26/11/2024 at 05:27 UTC

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We have nothing to bind us together anymore. We are aimless without cause and it maybe the reason why we are in this mess.

Comment by caveatlector73 at 25/11/2024 at 16:29 UTC

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Matt Yglesias writes about when and how to use punishment to maintain orderly and functional public spaces for the people who need them the most.

A nuanced look at "crime" and "punishment" and how he believes government can do better. As he puts it focusing crime reduction efforts into teaching geometry never stopped anyone from raping people. Penalties as a deterrent need to be present without going overboard and costing the public both needed workers and money.

Comment by northman46 at 25/11/2024 at 20:34 UTC

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I think a large part of the problem is that progressives are laboring under a huge burden of guilt about being more well off than others. That’s where the notion that society is rigged against some people, often defined by ethnicity or other indicators so we shouldn’t expect normal acceptable behavior but instead tolerate it because they are poor or oppressed or whatever comes into play. And if only we had a ubi those people wouldn’t need to steal or assault or sell drugs.

And the police are just agents of oppression

Comment by Mother_of_Janus at 30/11/2024 at 18:06 UTC

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The left has destroyed cities and elevated destructive social policies in cities. It’s the opposite and no amount of gaslighting is going to change this reality.

Comment by Fiddle_Dork at 26/11/2024 at 12:31 UTC

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"Somewhere on the road from Barack Obama and John Kerry getting endorsed by national police unions in 2004 and 2008 to the present day, the Democratic Party has become ambivalent about the idea of punishing people who break the rules, to the point that the party says we need to accept disorderly and dysfunctional public spaces."

That's the first paragraph. I stopped reading

Comment by LamppostBoy at 26/11/2024 at 10:26 UTC

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Shatt Mygreasyass

Comment by Master_tankist at 26/11/2024 at 18:53 UTC

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Well thats just pathetic