[01/02/12] "PETITION TO BAN /R/RAPINGWOMEN" "Sorry, can't support you. I think both of those subreddits suck, but either we support freedom of speech or we don't. There's no half-way." {+444}

https://www.reddit.com/r/misc/comments/o0jfu/petition_remove_rrapingwomen_and_rbeatingwomen/c3dewl9

created by [deleted] on 03/08/2015 at 02:34 UTC

207 upvotes, 30 top-level comments (showing 25)

Comments

Comment by [deleted] at 03/08/2015 at 05:22 UTC

70 upvotes, 1 direct replies

There's no half-way.

Of course there is. They call it "moderating an internet forum."

Comment by painaulevain at 03/08/2015 at 03:47 UTC

129 upvotes, 4 direct replies

PETITION TO UNBAN SPAM BOTS

Either we support freedom of speech or we don't, no exceptions.

Comment by [deleted] at 03/08/2015 at 03:24 UTC

74 upvotes, 1 direct replies

Yes there is.

You ban RapingWomen so that women feel safe to exercise their free speech.

Of course, this is implying free speech in and of itself should be valued, instead of it being understood simply as a manifestation of human autonomy.

Comment by shampoocell at 03/08/2015 at 02:40 UTC

112 upvotes, 3 direct replies

Then someone links him to what is literally a guide to the most vulnerable spots to hit a woman, and he responds:

Well that's just offensive. Of course, it does say it's a self-defense guide to dealing with women and there's one against men too, but yeah, that's pretty bad.

Like what the fuck how do these people exist among us in society

Comment by [deleted] at 03/08/2015 at 02:52 UTC

148 upvotes, 4 direct replies

It's spez-speak:

I'm so sick of people, who aren't harmed by hate, giving hate a safe haven / while acting as if they're being personally effected, and giving hate a safe haven is some sort of sacrificial, heroic act.

Comment by CANOODLING_SOCIOPATH at 03/08/2015 at 02:54 UTC*

53 upvotes, 4 direct replies

/u/warlizard what do you think now?

EDIT: He's banned but he PM'd me. Here's what he said.

As to my personal opinion now, well, fuck 'em.

When I joined, nearly 6 years ago, Reddit was all about being free to create, no matter how repulsive or offensive it was.

Those times are gone and I have zero sympathy for the people who think that creating a subreddit devoted to raping or beating women is funny or positive.

It's not the kind of thing I talk about because it's a closely-held belief that's a sensitive subject, but as soon as Reddit management decided that some things were worthy of banning, i.e., /r/rapingwomen or others of that ilk, well, I would have been far more sweeping in what I would have banned.

I've tried to live my life by being a decent person to other people. "Have fun, don't be a dick" is my motto.

That would be my standard. If you live to make other people's lives miserable, well, fuck you.

Comment by Tiothae at 03/08/2015 at 12:12 UTC

22 upvotes, 0 direct replies

There's no half-way.

Well, let's see...

Well, I guess we don't have *true* freedom of speech currently.

Most people, myself included, are fine with some limits of freedom of speech (like the limits in my examples). Different people draw the line at different points.

Do I think that a community devoted to sexual violence should have their speech protected? No.

To summarise my views on this person's opinions:

/opinions

Comment by [deleted] at 03/08/2015 at 02:42 UTC*

52 upvotes, 2 direct replies

Guy's a real charmer. Containing his highest comments of all time:

In Ellen Pao's op-ed in the Washington Post today, she said "But to attract more mainstream audiences and bring in the big-budget advertisers, you must hide or remove the ugly."
How much of the push toward removing "ugly" elements of Reddit comes from the motivation to monetize Reddit?
EDIT: "Anything that harasses, bullies, or abuses an individual or group of people (these behaviors intimidate others into silence)" -- This is troubling because although it seems reasonable on the surface, in practice, there are people who scream harassment when any criticism is levied against them. How will you determine what constitutes harassment?

Here he is saying that Micheal Brown got what he deserved, the people rioting are crazy

And also here he is, saying "Double standard, blah blah blah, rape, blah, if that had been a 16-year-old girl, blah, etc."[1] about a 16 year old boy having sex with a 42 year old woman. Charming.

1: https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/2exg2d/if_you_had_to_marry_the_first_person_you_had_sex/ck3vrvf

EDIT: People also claimed that "OP is working for SOPA/what SOPA will entail for the internet/Reddit." Oh how reddit never changes.

Comment by Matsterchief at 03/08/2015 at 05:50 UTC

17 upvotes, 1 direct replies

Why did you link to a three year old thread?

Comment by hithazel at 03/08/2015 at 04:20 UTC

88 upvotes, 3 direct replies

Freespeech must be protected

And yet

SRS is a feminazi hellhole that must be banned

Comment by SafeSpaceTyrant at 03/08/2015 at 05:32 UTC

23 upvotes, 0 direct replies

There's no half-way.

YES! YES THERE IS HALF-WAY, YOU "FREE SPEACH" WORSHIPPING CHAN-LOVER! STOP PRETENDING LIKE IT'S SOME BLURRED LINE!

Seriously, how hard it is to tell yourself: "Hey, you know what? I think we, being somewhat self-governing private platform, can safely ban some horrible stuff and free speech won't suffer at all! And rape is horrible so we'll start with that one I think".

Comment by [deleted] at 03/08/2015 at 04:24 UTC

15 upvotes, 0 direct replies

Never got how a subreddit explicitly named rapingwomen got the free speech defense.

Comment by falsevillain at 03/08/2015 at 03:41 UTC

11 upvotes, 1 direct replies

There is no gray area with die hards; it's either all or nothing. reddit is the platform for everything on the internet, no exceptions!

Comment by magichocolateunicorn at 03/08/2015 at 14:28 UTC

15 upvotes, 0 direct replies

"I disagree with the stuff that gets posted on Stormfront.org, but we should pay for their server fees because of free speech."

Comment by annieareyouokayannie at 03/08/2015 at 16:18 UTC

5 upvotes, 1 direct replies

"Either we support reddit hosting a forum dedicated to raping women, or we don't. There's no half-way."

Comment by C0NFLICT0fC0L0URS at 03/08/2015 at 03:26 UTC

7 upvotes, 1 direct replies

Huh. Rather old, but am not surprised that tagger from /r/circlebroke has this dude as a KiA user

Comment by garbagefiredotcom at 04/08/2015 at 23:35 UTC

5 upvotes, 0 direct replies

"As a rational intellectual I believe in extreme absolutism."

Comment by JosefStallion at 03/08/2015 at 14:30 UTC

2 upvotes, 0 direct replies

Somehow I don't think this user is a woman.

Comment by midasz at 06/08/2015 at 00:09 UTC

3 upvotes, 1 direct replies

SRS doesn't dox and harass? LMFAO.

Comment by Unicornslaps at 06/08/2015 at 18:48 UTC

2 upvotes, 0 direct replies

I hereby formally request a ban from this shit show!

Comment by Megaman03 at 03/08/2015 at 04:29 UTC

4 upvotes, 1 direct replies

Reddit's Frozen Peach Warriors and SQW's are out in full force defending raping women because "muh freeze peaches".

Meanwhile, the calls to ban the omnipresent threat of SRS, representative of our beloved BRD, continue to grow ever louder.

Comment by [deleted] at 03/08/2015 at 11:08 UTC

1 upvotes, 0 direct replies

But look, we could ban just hateful and oppressive sp--
> **NO HALF WAY LALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU**

Comment by Plob218 at 03/08/2015 at 16:07 UTC

0 upvotes, 1 direct replies

I wonder how these people function in life when they see everything as a slippery slope. Like, do they empty whole bottles of dressing on their salads? "There's no reasonable way of knowing when to stop!"

Comment by Intortoise at 03/08/2015 at 17:10 UTC

3 upvotes, 0 direct replies

Freedom of speech isn't threatened by moderating a website. Freedom of speech is not all or nothing. There is nuance. Basically got every single part of your statement *objectively* wrong /u/warlizard

Comment by douchymcface at 03/08/2015 at 16:02 UTC

0 upvotes, 0 direct replies

"I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it." - Voltaire

somebody actually used this in support of his statement