/r/GrimesAE/comments/1i8y4z5/on_the_prospect_of_black_grimes/
created by devastation-nation on 27/01/2025 at 12:47 UTC
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Comment by chrispd01 at 27/01/2025 at 13:59 UTC
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Hmmmmm…. Maybe she shoulda taken the fans advice a bit more to heart and stayed away from everyone’s favorite South African …
Comment by chrispd01 at 27/01/2025 at 14:12 UTC
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Hmmm. Thats seems a bit close to saying “let me fight the ‘Peculiar Institution’ by sleeping with the Plantation owner and having his bastard child ….
Not buying this. Simply excusing her choice to get with Elon … oh who happens to be rich as fuck ….
Comment by ungemutlich at 27/01/2025 at 15:32 UTC
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Speaking as an Afropessimist (lol), this is terrible.
First of all, Afropessimism is not popular among black people, so the idea of finding hidden Afropessimist significance in the take of a black guy who thinks "black" is a compliment...just goes to show that blackness is something white people make up for their own purposes.
staying true to one’s roots and essence, often in the face of societal pressures to assimilate, conform, or abandon one’s cultural heritage.
How can you write an entire essay on Afropessimism and not understand that blackness is something bad and externally-imposed? Frantz Fanon was NOT in favor of romantic identification with the imaginary blacks of old.
Sure, "the end of the world" is a shared theme. I stopped listening to Grimes before the Elon stuff.
She channels, through her aesthetic and her music, the dance of social death
Grimes is your idea of a non-person. Ok.
This brings us to the concept of the Ghost Dance, a spiritual and political movement among Native American tribes in the late 19th century, where indigenous people believed they could call forth the spirits of their ancestors and revive a lost, pre-colonial world.
If there's one thing Afropessimism would be against, it's comparing the black and Native American struggles. Seriously, have you even read the book? Blackness is different because there's no possible restoration, like getting land back.
The Beloved Community, as championed by Martin Luther King Jr., represents a vision of humanity united in justice, reconciliation, and love.
Afropessimism, MLK, what's the difference? The blacks, we're socially dead and people just like you, as convenient for talking about your favorite pop music!
Comment by Crazy_Cheesecake142 at 27/01/2025 at 17:13 UTC
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great write up! I'd love to offer a few less-critical perspectives that loop into the critical issues here as well.
I'd recommend looking into David Chalmers and the concept of the Extended Mind. One of the more linear interpretations - we use things like cell-phones to store our relationships, or a resume/degree to store our experience. We basically allow a simpler version of our conscious mind to persist, because sentience and our relationships appear inextricably linked to the outside world.
This is relevant for political philosophy - Rousseau argues that our decision-making and will (our actual ability to act) is placed in the general will, and this is navigating our social and natural selves. It's some emergent form of human nature which - instead of hiding from the harshness of the world (akin to Hobbes) actually reaches towards desirable forms of positive freedom, in a society.
For the critical issue, I always think of W.E.B. Dubois's sort of prototypical case of balancing between sociology, philosophy, and the issue of self-hatred or self-loathing in black society. Having to take a pragmatic position that not all black folks are "civil" in the sense, they can't be part of the conversation about full inclusion of rights and opportunities - and yet there is obvious injustice in taking this stance!
My question, is in the case of Grimes (not sure who this is), does this support an argument - is Digital Society, or Post-Modern society, similar to constitutional republicanism? Hard.
Can we fairly ask what norms and rights, are super important for people of all walks of life, and with all different levels of education, and all different types of.....dare I say, goals, desires, lived experiences, really all kinds of things.....do those norms and rights extend themselves to cover Digital society?
or, is digital society, like, just soooo different that we need to come up with a new theory to capture it? How does our mind extend itself, or is this a different function of innate consciousness and mind? Is that ever relevant for political philosophy?
thanks for the inspiring share....- keep on the grind!!!!