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Question about all the Muslims who are refusing to vote for Biden due to his stances on the Israel/Palestine war:
Are they really powerful and numerous enough to cost him the election?
And what is their reasoning? Don't they understand how much worse it will be for them- and their people- if Trump wins again (bad for all of us, really)? Or do they just not care at this point? I don't understand it
Comment by A_Coup_d_etat at 15/12/2023 at 14:20 UTC
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So firstly, Muslims in Michigan are a substantial minority vote.
Given that Michigan is a swing state they could definitely have an impact on the election there.
Secondly, any Muslim voter who would be withholding their vote or voting Republican is an American citizen and thus in no danger of being deported. So despite Democratic fearmongering they may not see Trump as some huge threat to them.
Thirdly, culturally Muslims are a lot more aligned with Conservatives than they are with Democrats. Despite left wing delusions Islam is in fact a misogynistic, homophobic ideology that is far more in line with the Republicans than the Democrats. Although as usual Reddit did its best to close its eyes, earlier this year when a Michigan town of ~25,000, which had historically been Polish American, had its town council become all male Muslims and they banned PRIDE flags, their supporters celebrated that they were now a "Fagless City" and they passed ordinances allowed backyard animal sacrifices.
It will be interesting over the next few decades, as the country becomes all minority to see how the Democrats deal with the fact that a number of the minorities they have been celebrating are culturally far more conservative than the White Christians they've been trying to get rid of.
Comment by bl1y at 13/12/2023 at 14:30 UTC
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It's a reasonable bargaining position.
Party A is going to be bad for Voter Q, but Party B will be worse. In a one-off event, Q should vote for A. But elections aren't one-offs, they're an iterated negotiation. So, if Q wants A to change their position, they need a *credible* threat to stay home and sink the election for A. They'll risk a short term worse outcome for the chance to get a long term positive benefit.
And if that sounds dumb, look at black voters. They've been reliable votes for Democrats for the last 60 years, and what are they getting out of it? Harris as VP? Meanwhile, look at how much Dems care about winning over white suburban women.
Comment by MasterRazz at 13/12/2023 at 12:40 UTC*
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They can make him lose Michigan, which could cost him the election based on current polling.
More significant are young voters, with whom Biden's support has cratered since 7/10.