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created by [deleted] on 10/06/2015 at 19:05 UTC
966 upvotes, 69 top-level comments (showing 25)
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Comment by xNOM at 10/06/2015 at 19:28 UTC
378 upvotes, 7 direct replies
We will ban subreddits that allow their communities to use the subreddit as a platform to harass individuals when moderators don’t take action.
Incredibly vague, as usual.
Comment by MisterDamage at 10/06/2015 at 20:54 UTC
88 upvotes, 3 direct replies
The message to this sub is clear: The moderators are required to be far less hands off. If simply messaging the admins is insufficient to get us banned (and I'm confident that's already underway) they will make fake MRA accounts and commence harassing themselves from this sub.
Comment by [deleted] at 10/06/2015 at 19:33 UTC
79 upvotes, 5 direct replies
Ehhh... this is pretty dodgy territory. I don't know a whole lot about FPH, but I know that it was bigger than this sub (150Kish iirc?)
It is not easy to balance these values, especially as the Internet evolves. We are learning and hopefully improving as we move forward. We want to be open about our involvement: We will ban subreddits that allow their communities to use the subreddit as a platform to harass[1] individuals when moderators don’t take action. We’re banning behavior, not ideas.
Their definition of harassment, from the citation:
Systematic and/or continued actions to torment or demean someone in a way that would make a reasonable person (1) conclude that reddit is not a safe platform to express their ideas or participate in the conversation, or (2) fear for their safety or the safety of those around them.
Now feel free to correct me if I'm building a strawman here, but this appears to imply that several negative comments/posts made on a sub directed towards any individual/group, regardless of whether the content of the posts is legitimate criticism, could be sufficient to get a sub shut down.
If this is the case, there are a plethora of subs that could potentially get axed. This rule is extremely vague and as many have pointed out in the linked post, seems to be selectively enforced as several smaller but nastier subs have escaped the banhammer.
I don't know if members of FPH have legitimately gone out of their way to harass others and the mods have allowed this to happen. But I think nuking a 6-figure strong subreddit plus lurkers because of the actions of a few and questionable moderating is overreaching massively.
I guess we'll see what other subs fall in the coming weeks. Hopefully this sub won't be one of them.
Comment by freedomfreighter at 10/06/2015 at 21:16 UTC
130 upvotes, 7 direct replies
If men's rights is banned, I'm leaving Reddit. It takes a truly sick individual to claim that a sub that talks amongst itself about real issues is "harassing" others.
Comment by GarneyBumble at 11/06/2015 at 01:59 UTC
53 upvotes, 1 direct replies
The chairman of the board, Alexis Ohanian called this specific subreddit a "Hive of Misogyny" of course you are next, they are just setting the playbook up and figuring out how the PR falls when they take down one subreddit that is easy to crush and keep most people out of the argument.
The reason they only took down 5 subs this time is because this is a trial run. Any sub can be filled up with subscribers working together to forge the appearance of harassment coming out of a sub and have it fall afoul of the incredibly vague new rules.
The admins just threw out the 'no brigading rule' by admitting in the post that SRS does a lot of it but is still not going to have anything done to it, aside from reddit inc working on 'new tools' in the distant future.
You are next because you are not monetizable in an IPO. Geico and Unilever want nothing to do with you and never want to risk having your content appear at eye-level with that which they are paying to put on the site.
I warned FPH in a meta post that front paged on that sub right after The Open Letter leaks came out and the mods said "We enforce the rules, we'll be fine", but didnt see that the whole point was that the rules dont matter, its all a sham in the face of getting reddits revenue inline with its traffic potential.
Comment by BruceCampbell123 at 10/06/2015 at 22:43 UTC
31 upvotes, 5 direct replies
I highly doubt it. Say what you want about r/MensRights, we're not harassing anyone.
Comment by [deleted] at 11/06/2015 at 02:01 UTC
11 upvotes, 2 direct replies
IN B4 disagreeing with a feminist is relabeled "harassment"
Comment by sillymod at 10/06/2015 at 20:52 UTC
20 upvotes, 3 direct replies
The mods here take a strong stance against harassment. While we allow np.reddit.com links for cross posts, this is no different from /r/bestof, or any number of other subreddits. In fact, we have far, far fewer cross posts.
Beyond that, we cannot control users who choose to bypass these rules and harass people on other subreddits. We don't let doxxing occur here, we ban people who are here just to harass others, but there is only so much we have the ability, as moderators, to do. We don't have access to private messages to see people who harass users there.
In the end, we don't have much control over this. I think that, while much of Reddit doesn't necessarily approve of this sub, Reddit would require evidence that this sub is harassing people to stand for it being banned, especially before SRS and AMR, both of which were mentioned more frequently in the comments there than MR.
Comment by HitlerWasADoozy at 11/06/2015 at 07:38 UTC*
9 upvotes, 1 direct replies
I didn't know people actually hated this subreddit/men's rights besides extremist feminists. It's like most people do (especially women) from what I've seen, for whatever reason. Anyway, really hope this subreddit doesn't get taken down.
Comment by Trail_of_Jeers at 10/06/2015 at 20:00 UTC
34 upvotes, 1 direct replies
Eventually, yes.
Comment by [deleted] at 11/06/2015 at 00:53 UTC*
8 upvotes, 1 direct replies
Please oh please don't let Reddit become some PC shithole.
Comment by EvolvingRedneck at 10/06/2015 at 19:38 UTC
38 upvotes, 8 direct replies
OK. So the fatpeoplehate was banned why? We're the moderators breaking the harassment policies (by systematically targeting another redditor)? Because all it would take is for someone to make a throwaway account (or more) and harass another redditor in the name of MRA' s. I would hope the investigation to harassment claims would be thoroughly processed.
Comment by Dnile1000BC at 10/06/2015 at 22:59 UTC
5 upvotes, 1 direct replies
Remember, disagreeing, critising, presenting / asking for facts, logic and reason are all tools of the patriarchy to oppress, harass, assault and RAPE womyns. Check your dictionary privilege shitlords!
This means /r/menrights will be nuked in 5 ... 4 .. 3
Comment by [deleted] at 10/06/2015 at 19:33 UTC
20 upvotes, 0 direct replies
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Comment by [deleted] at 10/06/2015 at 19:55 UTC
31 upvotes, 2 direct replies
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Comment by [deleted] at 10/06/2015 at 22:29 UTC
5 upvotes, 1 direct replies
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Comment by baserace at 11/06/2015 at 02:16 UTC
4 upvotes, 0 direct replies
Hail[1] Chairman Pao!
1: http://i.imgur.com/foATDvf.jpg
Comment by Goldenpity at 11/06/2015 at 03:40 UTC
5 upvotes, 1 direct replies
Ugh, and I was hoping reddit was immune to all the tumblrinas and their SJW bullshit
Comment by Capitalsman at 10/06/2015 at 21:43 UTC
4 upvotes, 0 direct replies
We will ban subreddits that allow their communities to use the subreddit as a platform to harass individuals when moderators don’t take action.
So every political subreddit (they don't like), and every religious subreddit, any anti-<movement> subreddit (except anti mrm), and every pro sport team related subreddit?
Comment by potah at 11/06/2015 at 01:55 UTC
4 upvotes, 1 direct replies
Why on earth would this subreddit ever get banned? To me, it's the complete opposite of harassment and aims to support. As a female, I support this subreddit and I agree with most of what I see posted.
/r/theredpill and its sister (lol) subs, and /r/againstmensrights on the other hand is something else.
Comment by intensely_human at 11/06/2015 at 06:57 UTC
4 upvotes, 0 direct replies
If this subreddit goes down, reconvene at voat.co/v/mensrights (I think that's the URL - I can't see right now because voat.co is down)
Comment by [deleted] at 10/06/2015 at 19:10 UTC
21 upvotes, 5 direct replies
I have no reason to think so. No harassment ever happens on this sub. If they approach their "harassment" policy that way, I think Reddit will lose most of its user-base within a year.
Comment by [deleted] at 11/06/2015 at 01:16 UTC
5 upvotes, 2 direct replies
No, and here's why: because as little overall clout as the MRM has, we are actually starting to make headlines. If they banned this sub, we'd all go apeshit, and the media would hear about it. Reddit doesn't need that kind of shitstorm, and I think it's pretty clear that these bans aren't about protecting victims of harassment so much as it is improving Reddit's image and retaining advertisers. This is about money and reputation, and even if most people wouldn't really care if this sub was banned, enough people would make enough noise that it would grab the public's attention for a brief enough time that it would put the idea in enough people's minds that Reddit was stifling political views. Advertisers do not want to be associated with that kind of rep, and so Reddit doesn't want to be within 100 yards of it. We'd have to seriously cross the line, many times, enough so that the media started talking about it before Reddit would take action against us, because again—they're only interested in cutting down on bad press. No bad press, no action on their part.
That being said, keep it civil, folks.
Comment by Jasperkr672 at 10/06/2015 at 21:02 UTC
3 upvotes, 0 direct replies
I'm going to start archiving (archive.is) a couple of the more important posts on this subreddit.
I'd suggest other people do the same thing as well.
Comment by Heraclitus94 at 11/06/2015 at 01:22 UTC
3 upvotes, 0 direct replies
Where's the nearest free speech zone again?
