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i think the fascinating thing is the idea that anyone listened to what lower class men had to say or afforded them any dignity at all. what an amazing lie to use to convince a ton of men to act against their own interests. i know this article is about korean men but it’s like.. part of the aether these days.
Comment by rorank at 20/01/2025 at 21:02 UTC
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In America and most of the west there has been dignity afforded to white lower class men in the form of not being treated like the second class citizens, who were POCs and women. It doesn’t look so much like that anymore, but many of those men do not realize that their lack of dignity was assigned because of economic class by the powers that be and not stolen from under them by people who used to have less rights.
Comment by iluminatiNYC at 21/01/2025 at 15:14 UTC
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There's levels to patriarchy. Lower class men have always had the status of their families and local community. It's not *national* scale power, but it is real power. Pretending that doesn't matter, and everything is industrial scale materialism is silly.
Comment by Albolynx at 20/01/2025 at 22:37 UTC
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It's easy to say things like that, but you are effectively saying "I know what you want better than you do, you are being tricked, listen to me instead."
The reality is that not everyone has the same values and expectations of life that you do. As the good old saying goes - when people tell you who they are, listen to them.