https://archive.is/YamEY#selection-825.196-828.0
created by Honickm0nster on 03/02/2025 at 15:46 UTC
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Comment by Ace2Face at 03/02/2025 at 17:56 UTC
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Really well thought out article. It's simple learned behavior. The gullible western states reward us for occupation and punish us for defending ourselves, Palestinians are rewarded for initiating senseless wars and terrorist attacks, and the result? The never ending israel-palestine conflict.
If both western and Arabic states wanted real peace, they would come together and realize the system that they perpetuated and offer a solid solution.
But they don't. Why is that? Malice, incompetance, both? It appears the whole conflict is a useful tool for many of these states. A great way to distract their populations, to sell more weapons, control the price of oil? I don't know.
It does make sense now why Bibi is doing what he's doing, we never had a chance to totally destroy Hamas, and it makes sense to me why Hamas took such a hard line during negotiations. They don't have idealists dreaming for peace or doubting themselves, they have one single goal. This is the advantage of their primitive islamic ideology, though the disadvantage is incredible suffering for someone else's benefit.
The status quo it is then, we should work on living, growing our economy & populace, educating us more and more, taking advantage of AI by securing many chips, and dismantling the Palestinian propaganda engine that led us to this situation to begin with. Hamas should be hurt for a long time, and we should take many steps at limiting their growth, a boring slow war that TikTokers can't follow with soundbites and slogans. "Stop the plausably-deniable limiting of aid and growth to Gaza via various systemic decisions" doesn't sound very catchy.
I'm sure we have policy makers that will come up with something similar, if some random researcher posting articles can come up with this realpolitik plan, so can dedicated think-tanks.
Comment by VoltNShock at 03/02/2025 at 16:25 UTC
68 upvotes, 3 direct replies
Very interesting article and many good points. The fact of the matter is that the settlers provide a security buffer and legitimacy. The Palestinians are backstabbers and will use every method of lawfare to delegitimize Israel if they are given a state. They will inevitably attack as they have broken every agreement in the past. Therefore the best thing Israel can do for itself is remain in the West Bank, keep the settlers constrained, and hope that it is once again forgotten from the news cycle. Israel is most secure when people forget/don’t care about it.
Comment by No_Ease_8198 at 03/02/2025 at 16:21 UTC
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So then what’s the solution? Despite the atrocities and war crimes Hamas has committed against Jews, I still believe in a two state solution. The article said it quite effectively, long run continued occupation of the West Bank is simply not sustainable. Eventually other countries WILL take more aggressive measures. If the West Bank signs a peace treaty that ensures no continued hostilities against Israel, I think it could work. But that’s just me being naive I suppose.