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View submission: Ross Nusser’s public statement on ICE
I genuinely appreciate the response but they're not citizens... However their children might be as a result of *incredibly* bad policy.
We're one of eight nations on earth that granted birthright citizenship to the product of illegal immigrants unconditionally. Why are we the bad guys for enforcing what almost every other country on the planet (including all of Europe) does already?
When you deport these people without due process, that’s fascist.
What due process is needed for illegal immigrants? If they're citizens it's pretty damn simple to produce documentation proving your right to be here. US citizens aren't getting caught up in this *unless the schools are refusing to work with law enforcement* and they're forced to go in blind and profile based on reports and suspicions, which in my view is entirely reasonable. Sanctuary cities are creating conditions in which they're unable to operate efficiently and then riling up their base with the end result.
When you put people in concentration camps and hold them indefinitely while capitalizing on their labor, that’s fascist.
As opposed to capitalizing on their labor on the outside? Because I keep hearing the **incredibly racist argument** that 'who is gonna pick the crops and clean your toilets if you deport them??? I don't want slumlords and capitalists exploiting these people either.
When you demonize a whole group of people, the vast majority of which are honest and productive members of society
How productive can illegal immigrants honestly be living in the gaps of society without any ability to bank or pay taxes?
Comment by CylonSandhill at 03/02/2025 at 01:28 UTC
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Yikes. Lots and lots of factual inaccuracies to unpack here.
First, birthright citizenship isn’t “policy,” it’s a Constitutional Amendment.
Second, it’s 33 countries have unrestricted birthright citizenship, not 8. And dozens more have ancestry based birthright citizenship. Get your facts sorted.
Third, do you know why birthright citizenship exists here and in many of the other countries where it exists? It exists to overcome the Dred Scott SCOTUS decision that stated black people could not be citizens (despite that white Americans had been afforded unquestioned birthright citizenship for decades). This was done to ensure equality under the law and to ensure there was not a legal mechanism to create 2nd class citizens who were subject to the law but not protected by it. Your political views are a reprehensible extension of the adage about modern conservatism that holds that there must be out groups that the law binds but does not protect and in groups that the law protects but does not bind. Your views should be roundly rejected by just Americans. This Amendment also overturned the racist and unconstitutional Chinese Exclusion Act.
Fourth, all persons in the US are entitled to due process and protection under the law regardless of whether they are citizens or not. The 5th and 14th Amendments state “persons” not “citizens”
https://constitutioncenter.org/the-constitution/amendments/amendment-xiv/clauses/701
Fifth, while there are certainly real and moral issues with how undocumented people are exploited for labor, they are at least paid. If they are rounded up and forced to work (instead of choosing to as they do now) and not allowed to leave or be paid (as with the system trump is enacting), that is the same as state sponsored and sanctioned slavery, which is far worse. The system trump is enacting also allows for greater exploitation since business owners can now threaten workers with a far more real threat of deportation.
Undocumented workers contribute billions in taxes annually but do not qualify for benefits. To say they do not contribute is just wrong.
https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/topics/tax-contributions