created by fjfjOk-Usual-3030 on 01/02/2025 at 15:17 UTC
186 upvotes, 14 top-level comments (showing 14)
Hi,
I wanted to ask if theres anyone (podcast, analysts or similar) that cover the idea that trump actually was tricked into the presidency?
I dont think he wasnt on a surveillance list of different agencies before he ran as president. I also dont think the agencies werent aware of stuff like 'foundations of geopolitics'.
I also dont believe that these people didnt know that making a McDonalds White House joke (from obama of all people) about trump wouldnt make him run as president out of spite.
All of this would have happened to stop the biggest scheme in history done by the russians.
Yes, many people would die if that was the case, but even more would if noone ever prepared for him as a president.
Comment by Disco_Dreamz at 01/02/2025 at 15:27 UTC
200 upvotes, 2 direct replies
The FBI has been well aware of Trump since the 80s, when he began renting units of Trump Tower to literal Russian gangsters such as Vyacheslav Ivankov, Oleg Boyko and Vadim Trincher for the purpose of laundering illicit funds on behalf of Semion Mogilevich
https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/controversial-residents-trump-tower/story?id=52577191
Comment by congeal at 01/02/2025 at 18:09 UTC
86 upvotes, 2 direct replies
This is a coup. We are way beyond deregulation and tax cuts. This is a hostile takeover of our way of life. This is a coup.
Comment by daidoji70 at 01/02/2025 at 15:40 UTC
133 upvotes, 2 direct replies
Def. Vlaidmir Putin sucks as a dictator and leader of Russia but he's hands down the greatest intelligence officer in history. Planting a literal Manchurian candidate in his country's greatest enemy at the height of their greatest strength and doing so in a way that half that country's population thinks the very idea of that is a complete hoax. Absolutely masterful.
Comment by thuer at 01/02/2025 at 15:53 UTC
56 upvotes, 1 direct replies
The Steele dossier hasn't been disproved and I find it believable.
It basically says the carrot is money and the whip is a video of trump pissing on two prostitutes in the presidential suite in a Moscow hotel.
Comment by undertoned1 at 01/02/2025 at 18:47 UTC
16 upvotes, 0 direct replies
Intel and no one else ever thought he had a chance. Everyone was so busy looking into him and trying to discern why Hillary was doing what she was doing, and war on terror, that they never seriously considered what was going on on the ground behind the scenes to get him elected. In 2015 he had the largest ever team of online individuals doing everything possible to get him elected, with 90% never having to leave their desk to do it. Intel and the DNC both got overly fixated on Trump and never really looked into who the silent majority were being created and how. It was a very targeted operation.
Comment by Real-Adhesiveness195 at 01/02/2025 at 15:42 UTC
23 upvotes, 1 direct replies
Tricked, perhaps forced. He was staring down the barrel of prison. He may have been given an offer he couldn’t refuse. That is scary unto itself. If thats true then the ruling clique in the intel com is not neutral or altruistic at all. They are letting him shit all over everything for what?
Comment by CheesecakeHorror3410 at 01/02/2025 at 19:50 UTC
14 upvotes, 2 direct replies
Without any doubt what so ever. Getting Trump elected through polarizing the electorate is the greatest intelligence coup in hishory. It's beyond time to go medieval on the Russian special services, because leaving them basking in their success will lead to World War Three.
Comment by Falken-- at 02/02/2025 at 00:52 UTC
10 upvotes, 0 direct replies
The political biases are so front-loaded in every single comment, that having a serious conversation about this is next to impossible.
Here is the truth as I see it, and I fully expect to be downvoted for saying it:
Trump is nothing more than the logical result of where we are at as a Country. Many of the social/economic pressure valves that used to exist have been systemically dismantled. People are angry for a lot of reasons, and you can't reduce those reasons to a single reddit post. Many things have malfunctioned.
Trying to find some Agency to either credit or blame *in toto* is a form of escapism.
Comment by IllAd5259 at 02/02/2025 at 01:47 UTC
3 upvotes, 0 direct replies
The one you're looking for is Israel
He would've never made it without AIPAC & co
Comment by TypewriterTourist at 02/02/2025 at 02:31 UTC*
2 upvotes, 0 direct replies
Thanks, but it's actually more complex than that.
While Russia, no doubt, had a hand (and possibly spearheaded the effort), it wouldn't have been possible without domestic collaborators. Trump is basically an influencer who accumulated a huge following and now sells services to whoever pays for it. Bob Woodward's *War* claims that the Republican establishment (Lindsey Graham, of all people) convinced Trump to come back.
You referenced Dugin. Are you aware Steve Bannon admires him (or at least, admired), and back in 2018 met up with him in person, trying to convince him to ditch Iran and side with US "conservatives"? AFAIK, Bannon is still in touch with Trump dispensing strategy advice. "Flooding the zone" is his favorite tactic.
If Bannon now has the upper hand, then the purpose is not to help Russia, the purpose is literally to destroy the United States or, if I understand it correctly, to convert it into a loose federation of independent states.
No doubt Russians are cackling, thinking of today's situation as a comeback for the "West" (Germany) nurturing Lenin and the Bolsheviks a century ago. I wonder if they ever asked themselves if it paid off to Germany.
Comment by Littlepage3130 at 02/02/2025 at 16:21 UTC
0 upvotes, 0 direct replies
Nah, Trump's just the next logical step in US disentanglement from the cold war security architecture. Every U.S. president since H.W Bush has backed away from that approach in some way, but Trump is just the latest & most obvious of that progression. Americans are simply not interested in maintaining that alliance structure & they've proved that in every single election since 1992. Americans are simply no longer willing to fight & die in large numbers in eastern Europe to defend Europe from Russia. All this security posturing & positioning has been dancing around that reality. NATO's article V has been dead for years, but many government officials have refused to grapple with that. It comes down to Trump because literally everyone else failed to acknowledge that reality & adjust to it.
Comment by treasoro at 02/02/2025 at 21:26 UTC
0 upvotes, 1 direct replies
You guys are detached from reality on Reddit. Everywhere on this site you only see people complaining on trump. Yet majority of Americans voted from him. That’s how it looks for someone from abroad. You are inside one echo chamber that completely does not translate to what people really think in real world.
Comment by Specialist_Brain841 at 01/02/2025 at 16:28 UTC
-14 upvotes, 1 direct replies
trump ran for president before obama do people forget this easily?
Comment by MsMeringue at 01/02/2025 at 21:15 UTC
-8 upvotes, 0 direct replies
Do you know anyone who ran for anything?
Yes, we all think.
Turn off your tv