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View submission: Massive firings and “retirements”
How do you fire (removal) career civil servants without using civil servant processes? What you "can"do is re-assign them to sit in a cube and lick stamps or relegate them to a bs position or transfer them. Those who are retirement eligible, most of the 15s/SES probably would probably go. This is not as easy as saying you're fired . They could re-assign the entire 7th floor but "fire them"? I don't think there are many Political Appointees at FBIHQ which could be fired. I'm not a BU Agent or former but this doesn't add up.
Comment by IrishRifles at 31/01/2025 at 23:59 UTC
27 upvotes, 11 direct replies
25% of FBI employees are on probation?
Comment by Snoo63249 at 01/02/2025 at 02:11 UTC
1 upvotes, 0 direct replies
You can cut requirements and by default senior people bump junior people out there door.
Comment by JuanPabloElSegundo at 01/02/2025 at 02:23 UTC
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Is that related to Schedule F?
Comment by garbagetaway at 01/02/2025 at 03:38 UTC
1 upvotes, 0 direct replies
Totally legal. Totally doable. You could have asked Jimmy Carter about it a few weeks ago.
https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP05S00620R000200470057-7.pdf
Comment by JediMedic1369 at 01/02/2025 at 03:44 UTC
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He’s already violated half a dozen laws in 10 days, you think they give a shit about worker protections. Musk now controls the payroll system to its as simple as “you’re fired” we’ve turned off your access you’ll be lucky to get your last check.
Comment by oreopeanutbutters at 01/02/2025 at 04:11 UTC
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Same way they can issue blatantly unconstitutional EO's. If no one is going to punish the "illegal" action, then it's legality is merely a suggestion 🤷
FBI leans Republican. FAFO and good riddance
Comment by Simple_Panda6232 at 01/02/2025 at 04:15 UTC
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Please look at this list [1]I compiled that goes over this. It is also in the news that they are unlawfully not giving civil servants their due process[2] and trying to "change" or "reinterpret" these process, which they do not have the power to do.
2: https://www.reddit.com/r/fednews/comments/1iehkuc/comment/mabmky4/?context=3
Comment by Royalizepanda at 01/02/2025 at 04:17 UTC
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This is the same man who tries to freeze government spending; common sense and doing things right are not priorities.
Comment by ithappenedone234 at 01/02/2025 at 05:28 UTC
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What Checks and Balances, exactly, do any of the other branches have over the executive, besides the Congress using their impeachment power?
The entire FBI just sat in their hands while Trump violated the 14A and 20A, and now civil service laws are going to get more support than the Constitution? That makes no sense.
Comment by ThatRefuse4372 at 01/02/2025 at 05:57 UTC
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I agree with questioning the numbers, but don’t miss the forest for the trees. He’s firing people for investigating a crime he didn’t want investigated. Doesn’t matter how many.
And the possible disinformation strategy here is complex. Inflate the numbers and it make MAGA happier while putting more fear into existing and future agents while leaving Dems still with no recourse.
Comment by PrimarchUnknown at 01/02/2025 at 06:51 UTC
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It doesn't matter. The issue now is one everyone has to ask: do you let this man continue to dismantle govt institutions or do you step in stop this now before he and Musk and their backers rip the system completely apart?
Comment by Better-Strike7290 at 01/02/2025 at 07:47 UTC
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People need to stop kissing Elon's ass for money and they need to realize that an executive order isn't implemented **IMMEDIATELY**.
There are a lot of people making a lot of stupid mistakes right now.
Lawsuits are coming and this shit show is going to grind to a halt and those that enforced those EO's **IMMEDIATELY** are going to end up in some pretty deep shit
Comment by Spirited-Height1141 at 01/02/2025 at 12:10 UTC
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Get your head out of the sand. The proceedures you mention are the correct way but trump and his minions are not following guidelines AND next will be not following the courts
Comment by Mreow277 at 01/02/2025 at 12:23 UTC
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Honestly, I always thought "The Wire" was exaggerating
Comment by Limp-Membership-5461 at 01/02/2025 at 13:01 UTC
1 upvotes, 1 direct replies
fbi agents are not in the civil service.
Comment by carnivorewhiskey at 01/02/2025 at 14:37 UTC
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Since when does Trump follow the law or process? He will retaliate and let his court appointed judges sort it out.
Comment by scumGugglr at 01/02/2025 at 15:00 UTC
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You all out here debating the legality of actions by a president that follows no law. Dumb.
Comment by BluebeardTheBirate at 01/02/2025 at 15:51 UTC
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Unless someone stops you, you can do anything. I mean you can’t be a convicted felon and be president yet here we are.
Comment by homer2101 at 01/02/2025 at 16:30 UTC
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Same way Trump illegally fired the inspectors general: tell them they are fired and have security physically escort out anyone who tries to refuse because the firing was blatantly illegal. And fire anyone who refuses to do what he orders until he finds someone who does. Worst case people resign in protest and he fills their positions with loyalists. Laws aren't self-enforcing and it's been obvious since his last term that nobody's going to bother enforcing anything against Trump. Now that Trump has realized this, he's doing what he wants. Welcome to our new Tsar.
Comment by jdogg1413 at 01/02/2025 at 17:50 UTC
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I know, right? How can the head of the executive branch fire executive branch employees!
Comment by Low_Actuary_2794 at 01/02/2025 at 21:22 UTC
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You screw with their clearances even if just temporary. Since it’s a condition of their employment, you can put them on indefinite (unpaid) suspension while you “investigate;” most people resign at that point regardless of the circumstances.
Comment by [deleted] at 01/02/2025 at 21:47 UTC
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Comment by Late2theGame0001 at 01/02/2025 at 23:31 UTC
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I read in a thread that they are trying to classify as much as they can as political appointees.
Comment by palescales7 at 02/02/2025 at 02:21 UTC
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A presidential memo last week made all FBI “at will” employees.
Comment by Chupoons at 02/02/2025 at 02:39 UTC
1 upvotes, 1 direct replies
You can fire anyone for any reason. It's called 'For Cause'.
