Comment by jackt6 on 26/04/2024 at 09:42 UTC

1039 upvotes, 25 direct replies (showing 25)

View submission: the update regarding EOD edition

Nikita, with all due respect, next time just tell us to f off.

You heard only a quarter of the issue.

The problem with the new editions are as follows:

• Backpedaling on your word to release all new DLC (defined per dictionary.com[1] as **downloadable content:** additional content that can be purchased online and added on to a video game, as to enhance its features) to EOD owners (especially when you set the precedent with EOD as including other modes (which is a precedent in itself, it's expected) but removed it from your site when the backlash started).
• Making actual p2w items with no indication you want to make them earnable (I'm an EOD owner. In fact, I have *two* accounts I bought because I wanted to support BSG's creation of Tarkov and my hardcore account I made EOD) but the pockets and the radio should be earnable in game so as to not make such an advantage for players it could genuinely be considered P2W.
• asking an *absurd* $250 for new players to get access to the first thing you guys have released that would help new players ease into the game.

The rest? I really don't care. I have no intention of buying this slap in the face, I can earn weapons cases and ammo cases and scav junk boxes and guns and whatever tf else. The melee is whatever. Had the new edition been a bunch of that, gamma, some extra stash space, some cosmetics, and maybe idfk a cat for the hideout, I *would not care*. Hell, I actually genuinely probably would've bought it. But this is such a scummy business move and blatant cash grab, I watched the middle finger go up as I saw the edition drop.

1: http://dictionary.com

What this move has done to the community:

• First, we feel disrespected. You promised no P2W content. Gamma was always up for debate. That radio, there's no room for debate. It's P2W. You've lied to us, gone back on your word on *several* things with this edition ALONE, and tried to scam all of us.
• Second, we all have a question in the back of our minds. Why? Is BSG going bankrupt and this is one final cash grab before it goes under? Do you really think your community is this stupid?
• Third, it makes us wonder, how far are you really willing to go to make an extra buck? Will I see players with different attachments available from traders based on their edition? We already see the hideout craft you put in this post (not a good start!)? Will weapons have more favorable MOA, armor have more favorable durability, hitboxes have more favorable sizes, etc. etc. etc. based on edition? Just how far are you willing to try to go?

Fix it. Make everything earnable in game and give EOD players access to offline cooperative progression. Second, refund everyone who bought it a portion of their money and charge a reasonable amount for it (for example, charge at MOST an extra $40 for this). Do you really want to be remembered as that company who charged 6x what triple A devs charge for a game?

Replies

Comment by Nutzer1337 at 26/04/2024 at 10:01 UTC

120 upvotes, 1 direct replies

Solid post. This goes far wider than just the EoD issue. They introduced (new) P2W aspects that don't get addressed as much as they should be.

Comment by SchmeatDealer at 26/04/2024 at 14:09 UTC

36 upvotes, 2 direct replies

"Why? Is BSG going bankrupt and this is one final cash grab before it goes under? Do you really think your community is this stupid?"

Yes, actually.

Nikita spent *millions* on stalls at games cons promoting Arena as a "Counterstrike killer" despite still not having functionally any anti-cheat in the game. 1/2 of Arena matches are people testing their tarkov cheats.

They had like 3m USD in money when 2023 started, and the one booth alone had a like $250,000 sticker for *just the floorspace* before factoring in the cost of display/merch.

He literally partied their operating budget away because he still doesnt understand how big of an issue the cheating is. he always denied it, and even in the past made bold statements like "our in-house anti-cheat catches the cheaters immediately for permanent ban" when it turned out there *literally wasnt any anti-cheat.*

dude is a habitual liar who completely ignores any criticisms of tarkov/arena etc.

Comment by TommygunPT at 26/04/2024 at 10:52 UTC

8 upvotes, 1 direct replies

Great post! I know everyone is crying about EoD (I don't own it myself) and I do get their points, but the additions that have been made to both editions really change what Tarkov is at it's core.

I think for most of us Tarkov has always been about the hardcore nature of it, where everyone stands a chance and stakes are always high.

I bought EFT back when it was still in alpha (had to wait months to get my key!!) and eventually brought a lot of friends who all eventually got EOD. I never got it because I always felt that the perks it gives you shouldn't have a place in a game like this. Still, in a way I was ok with this since I saw it more as a founders thing, and never really escalated.

From my perspective and with all these changes it feels like I payed 50€ to play some kind of F2P MMO and I can't even access them without paying 250€. At least in a typical F2P MMO I can choose where to burn my money on.

Comment by simplydifferentbro at 26/04/2024 at 16:35 UTC

3 upvotes, 0 direct replies

Yep, I would not have bought this game, much less paid for EOD if I had known they were gonna add this much bullshit. So much for keeping this game hard-core. I had my fun, time to move on

Comment by Ok_Manufacturer_2137 at 26/04/2024 at 14:48 UTC

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8HMmXB-qwk[1][2]

1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8HMmXB-qwk

2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8HMmXB-qwk

I just remember this

Comment by dickthewhite at 26/04/2024 at 14:58 UTC

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Nikita is a scamming piece of shit.

Comment by ChipmunkStraight2824 at 26/04/2024 at 14:58 UTC

2 upvotes, 1 direct replies

Don't say "with all due respect", I will respect Nikita when he respects us.

Otherwise solid post.

Comment by sayloth at 26/04/2024 at 17:11 UTC

2 upvotes, 0 direct replies

Uninstall the game. Stop feeding him.

Comment by t3hSn0wm4n at 26/04/2024 at 18:04 UTC

2 upvotes, 0 direct replies

You forgot the part where Nikita promised back in 2016 that EOD would ALWAYS be the highest tier available to purchase and that there would never be a "better edition"

Comment by Soviet_KGB at 26/04/2024 at 18:30 UTC

2 upvotes, 1 direct replies

Agree in all except the exclusivity of PVE mode, this must be a feature available for ALL players

Comment by RedditIsRWord at 26/04/2024 at 22:09 UTC

2 upvotes, 0 direct replies

I love most of that but

"the radio should be earnable in game"

this item should not exist. It will still be pay2win even if earnable because they'll make you jump through thousands of hoops to earn it... because why would anyone buy it if its easy to get?

Making it earnable won't make it even, at all. It's a bad item in concept and will also be horrible in execution. It is the epitome of a bad idea.

Comment by WillowGlum1736 at 26/04/2024 at 15:00 UTC

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Solid post my man. Couldn’t have said it better ! Thank you for that

Comment by [deleted] at 26/04/2024 at 15:47 UTC

1 upvotes, 1 direct replies

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Comment by New_Accountant_3195 at 26/04/2024 at 16:47 UTC

1 upvotes, 0 direct replies

On God this makes the Star Wars Outlaws drama look stupid compared to this

Comment by RennmaWeg at 26/04/2024 at 17:05 UTC

1 upvotes, 0 direct replies

Needs more upvotes! ❤️

Comment by Smachemo at 26/04/2024 at 17:43 UTC

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Have an upvote brother

Comment by Espiritu1938 at 26/04/2024 at 18:04 UTC

1 upvotes, 0 direct replies

Good post. Thank you. This is very hard punch into face of EOD supporters. For me is tarkov too HC but i bought EOD a lot of years ago bcd i love fame feel and waiting for normal PVE. And now?!?!?!? Pfffffffff

Comment by Traditional_Carpet38 at 26/04/2024 at 18:28 UTC

1 upvotes, 0 direct replies

i was ready to buy it but DLC i was promised, P2W items that i DO NOT WANT IN EFT EVER unlockable or not its against the idea i would be happy to pay 20$ for nothing but helping the development you have such a great and dedicated playerbase why ruin it?

Comment by ppedropaulo at 26/04/2024 at 20:14 UTC

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this should be at the top.

Comment by AH_Ahri at 26/04/2024 at 21:15 UTC

1 upvotes, 1 direct replies

Backpedaling on your word to release all new DLC

I'm no lawyer or anything...but isn't this outright illegal?

Comment by O1L_L3GACY13 at 27/04/2024 at 13:57 UTC

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Been asking for a hideout cat for so long now lol

Comment by [deleted] at 30/04/2024 at 17:21 UTC*

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"Second, refund everyone who bought it a portion of their money and charge a reasonable amount for it"

Good luck with that. They're following the Ferengi Rules of Acquisition #1: Once you have their money, you never give it back, #10: Greed is eternal, #181: Not even dishonesty can tarnish the shine of profit, and #189: Let others keep their reputation. You keep their money.

Comment by [deleted] at 26/04/2024 at 17:51 UTC*

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Comment by TCG-Pikachu at 26/04/2024 at 19:30 UTC

0 upvotes, 1 direct replies

I mean you make all good points but then slip up by telling them the amount to charge. They can charge whatever they want. It’s up to the economy to decide if it was the correct amount.

Comment by carnaldisaster at 27/04/2024 at 23:55 UTC

0 upvotes, 1 direct replies

Not you thinking he'll actually read your comment 💀