https://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/mrn758/15000_karma_cap_on_moon_distribution/
created by fan_of_hakiksexydays on 15/04/2021 at 20:20 UTC*
409 upvotes, 102 top-level comments (showing 25)
To avoid a loophole or a situation where someone figures out how to game the system and gets like 500,000 karma, maybe with bots, and gets the bulk of the distribution for themselves, here's my proposal:
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Currently only the top 17 users are above that, and would have been negatively affected. While the remaining 32,000+ users would be affected positively.
15K karma is still a lot.
There's been a lot of concerns in past proposals about Moon rich getting richer. Or a select few people always getting most of the distribution.
There's also a bigger issue with polls, which are based on governance and the amount of Moons you earned. The same people who keep getting the bulk of the distribution, are overpowering these polls. If distribution is more spread, it keeps the governance more democratic.
Also, with a 15K cap, there's gonna be a little less incentive for Moon farmers, using bots, etc...
The Moon system is meant to reward participation, and not over-activity, popularity, or people who figure out how to game the system.
-Multiple accounts. Until we have another proposal that takes care of that, people could get around that for the cap. It does create a little more work for abusers, but doesn't stop them.
-Older users like me, who already got a big bag more easily, got an unfair advantage. It would have been more fair if the cap had been there from the beginning.
-It will be harder for new people to fast track with some crazy big Moon drop. But at the same time, it will be harder for Moon whales to continue their course with also a crazy big Moon drop.
Essentially, no one will be able to hit some big jackpot. But those jackpots come at the expense of everyone else.
What you're voting for in the end, is do you want there to be a jackpot at the expense of the majority, or a tiny bit more spread distribution, with no big jackpot. Only the ability to go as high as 15k karma. That translates to 6,000 Moons max, if we continue that ratio of around 0.4.
Comment by ominous_anenome at 15/04/2021 at 20:28 UTC
41 upvotes, 5 direct replies
“To avoid a loophole or situation where someone figures out how to game the system and gets like 500,000 karma”
So why not put the max much higher than 15k, something like 50k would prevent what you are mentioning
Comment by Mephistoss at 16/04/2021 at 16:36 UTC
35 upvotes, 4 direct replies
What about the moderators who get their moons regardless of how much karma they get? 10% of the overall distribution goes to the mods so putting a cap of 15000 karma would mean the moderators get 3 or 4 times as many moons as the rest of the users.
Comment by Username-Not-A-Bot at 15/04/2021 at 20:21 UTC*
49 upvotes, 8 direct replies
If the poll would be decided on number of votes instead of amount of moons, this might have a chance
EDIT: my comment didn’t age well
Comment by theoakmike at 19/04/2021 at 07:40 UTC
5 upvotes, 1 direct replies
No offense, but this isn't really thought through. Moon farmers will just use different accounts (like they do right now).
Comment by LukeOnLive at 19/04/2021 at 12:32 UTC
5 upvotes, 0 direct replies
I think that there should definitely be a cap but I believe that we should vote again on the level of the cap as many seem to disagree on this matter.
This would then ensure that we reach a more unified consensus.
Comment by GodGMN at 16/04/2021 at 15:47 UTC
10 upvotes, 2 direct replies
Also, with a 15K cap, there's gonna be a little less incentive for Moon farmers, using bots, etc...
You'll put a stop to literally 17 users. I think your average moon farmer won't even notice about the change.
Comment by Elfroid at 19/04/2021 at 09:23 UTC
4 upvotes, 0 direct replies
I agree with your idea, but you should try to avoid having a poll with such leading answers.
Comment by ultron290196 at 16/04/2021 at 08:39 UTC
11 upvotes, 2 direct replies
The 15k cap is totally unfair to the new users. The old moon rich such as the OP himself has more than 50k moons. If karma is capped at 15k out of which at 0.88, the person next will get only ~13k moons. So to even reach 50k, we'll need 4 months to reach his numbers. This is basically suppression at this point. Don't be fooled. This poll itself is a power move by the moon rich.
Downvote me all you want.
Comment by haileymorgann at 19/04/2021 at 11:23 UTC
5 upvotes, 0 direct replies
I feel like people shouldn’t have to pay for that possibility of others gaming the system. Capping the karma seems like a cop out to me when there are other ways of preventing cheats.
Comment by 90DayF at 15/04/2021 at 20:38 UTC
9 upvotes, 1 direct replies
Interesting idea, though I have a suggestion to this. (If I may)
Instead of capping it after 15k, maybe we could change the reward pattern, like once a user hits 15k, instead of 1 upvote = 1 moon, make it 2 upvotes = 1 moon.
Its kinda like as you level up, the difficulty of the game increases :)
Comment by [deleted] at 15/04/2021 at 20:24 UTC*
14 upvotes, 5 direct replies
To avoid a loophole or a situation where someone figures out how to game the system and gets like 500,000 karma, maybe with bots, and gets the bulk of the distribution for themselves, here's my proposal
You know that Reddit has a really strong protection against this. Upvotes stop counting if they're always from same users.
This proposal would actually help the Moon Rich(like OP) stay rich, and disallow newer users from ever becoming Moon rich.
Comment by pepperonimilkjuice5 at 19/04/2021 at 10:55 UTC*
6 upvotes, 2 direct replies
Who are all these voters voting ‘yes’ btw. Most comments are against this proposal lol.
Comment by [deleted] at 15/04/2021 at 20:27 UTC
14 upvotes, 1 direct replies
Hinder people who post quality content or shitpost and make people laugh? It's a no from me
Comment by Killertimme at 15/04/2021 at 20:41 UTC
6 upvotes, 1 direct replies
I am #13 this distribution and I like this idea but it needs some more thought. Having 15k as a fixed value isnt great. It would have to be relative to the total karma or something.
Also your reasoning is lacking. Bots and such shouldnt be a problem with the reddit algorithm. If someone games the system we will see it before the final count and can change it through a vote.
Comment by sggts04 at 16/04/2021 at 15:00 UTC
2 upvotes, 2 direct replies
u/jwinterm any idea why its not showing the moons decision quorum anymore in the poll?[1]. What's the quorum needed to make the poll pass this time?
1: https://i.imgur.com/ZpTx2mq.png
Comment by anon43850 at 16/04/2021 at 21:07 UTC
2 upvotes, 1 direct replies
Would the capping stop the greed of some moon farmers or would they just create other accounts and continue farming Moons there?
Comment by BullsOnParade69420 at 19/04/2021 at 06:41 UTC
2 upvotes, 1 direct replies
Why not coming up with a mathematical solution where once a percentage of *contributing* members increase above the 15k cap, it is increased by a proportion (static, variable w/e) so it is ever increasing and still incentivizes good posting rewarded by Karma?
Comment by Roastage at 20/04/2021 at 05:14 UTC
2 upvotes, 0 direct replies
I guess the risk is this would deincentivize major/popular contributors somewhat? Though honestly I suspect the small sample of 15k karma contributors are likely crypto enthusiasts and Moons distribution is of lesser importance.
On balance I think a ceiling makes it more equitable and frankly 15,000 karma is a huge amount in any case.
Comment by [deleted] at 15/04/2021 at 21:28 UTC
5 upvotes, 1 direct replies
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Comment by mysteriousbaby0 at 16/04/2021 at 15:49 UTC
4 upvotes, 1 direct replies
I mean it's hard to implement since people can use multiple alts for moon farming.
but the idea is understandable!
Comment by SuggestedName90 at 15/04/2021 at 20:24 UTC
3 upvotes, 4 direct replies
People want too much artificial controls over moons. I see it like this -
Contribute content of value to the community, and people will upvote equal to the value it provides to them. If someone provides 20k of Karma in value contributed, then they should get moons. Similarly, if people value and upvote moon farming people decide to upvote content that they perceived as added value, so naturally content aimed to make the most impact will see lots of upvotes, but if people thought it added that much value then they are entitled to those moons imo
Comment by Huge_Dot at 16/04/2021 at 00:48 UTC
3 upvotes, 2 direct replies
Moon Wealth Tax! Eat the Moon Rich. 1% of Redditors hold 80% of the moons!
Comment by DivineEu at 15/04/2021 at 21:10 UTC
2 upvotes, 1 direct replies
The backbone idea is good but what is stopping a spammer opening 10 accounts and just comment with them all?
Comment by vaginalfungalinfect at 15/04/2021 at 21:31 UTC
2 upvotes, 1 direct replies
i don't know. it's also an incentive for people to put in effort into a post. some people really do put that effort in. and this is why many of them have so much karma.
am kind of split. there should be a limit. but maybe not one which discourages those that do all of the work to gather all the info for the long articles that usually get hundreds or thousands of upvotes. it's deserved.
Comment by killawaspattack at 17/04/2021 at 17:08 UTC
2 upvotes, 1 direct replies
Maybe it could be proposed for a max cap each round of 20,000 to satisfy some of the people who regularly earn more than that if this does not pass in very up for this as it will definitely give more distribution and probably give more to people in distribution this round was very good double what it was last round which is about 12k moons that is a lot
