Comment by ThrowRAPixieManic on 06/11/2024 at 17:42 UTC

99 upvotes, 23 direct replies (showing 23)

View submission: 2024 US Post-Election Megathread

I'm in shock...almost disbelief in HOW she lost. People are underestimating the repercussions that will occur. I am taking a mental health day from work.

With that said, why do you think she lost?? I want a true discussion and analysis. I can't think right now and I feel numb. I am terrified to bring a child into this world, worried about my dad who is a vet and gets social security, worried about the future...It all seems so bleak.

Did she not reach enough people? I disliked the Dem campaign in 2016...I feel like we could even go back to the 2000 election. Yes, I am a butterfly effect person and believe if Al Gore would have won in 2000 none of what has happened from 2016 and on would have happened and I stand by it.

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Comment by random6x7 at 06/11/2024 at 17:59 UTC

104 upvotes, 4 direct replies

Trump didn't gain any support that he didn't lose in other demographics. 14 million people who voted for Biden just.... didn't show up.

Comment by dear-mycologistical at 06/11/2024 at 19:13 UTC

51 upvotes, 1 direct replies

I think she lost because of multiple factors:

Racism and sexism (though I think Biden probably would have lost too)
Rising cost of living (and voters having very little understanding of the economy)
International anti-incumbent sentiment -- incumbents have lost elections this year in multiple other countries
The right has a much better propaganda machine than the left does. Traditional canvassing efforts like knocking on doors doesn't help when so many voters have been marinating in Fox News or Andrew Tate 24/7 for years.

Comment by whatever1467 at 06/11/2024 at 18:26 UTC

29 upvotes, 1 direct replies

People think trump is going to make groceries cheaper again (he won’t)

Comment by [deleted] at 06/11/2024 at 18:08 UTC

130 upvotes, 3 direct replies

Yes, she didn’t reach enough people. Yes, she didn’t distance herself enough from the Biden administration. Yes, she didn’t talk about her specific policies enough. Yes, she didn’t get enough confidence on the economy.

But I fully believe that she only had to do more on all of the above BECAUSE SHES A WOMAN OF COLOR. It’s not that Trump had a major showing of support, he has less votes than when he lost to Biden. It’s that 14M voters didn’t come out for Harris. 14M voters didn’t have confidence in a woman, with an unquestionably superior resume, and would rather have a RAPIST, FRAUD, LIAR, DEMENTED old man than see a woman run our country.

Comment by FragrantRaspberry517 at 06/11/2024 at 18:05 UTC

82 upvotes, 3 direct replies

Social media platforms are almost all owned by misogynists.

Check out Zuck’s message to Trump today (Meta is facebook, instagram, and threads)

Elons own twitter

Then they have there extremist platforms like truth social

Reddit is filled with porn and allows the red pill ideology to proliferate

Name one space where a man will be removed from the platform for threatening sexual violence. I can’t think of a single one.

Comment by GreatGospel97 at 06/11/2024 at 18:07 UTC

78 upvotes, 3 direct replies

She lost cause she’s black and a woman. People need to stop divorcing the two from each other. People will tell you she “didn’t appeal to so and so” group but that bs, trump didn’t appeal to those groups really outside of just resembling something familiar.

If walz has been the ticket head he would have won. A black woman was a step too far for this incredibly racist nation. Any other analysis is moot I’m sorry. The country’s behavior is very clear, to ignore it is incredibly short sighted.

Comment by corncob0702 at 06/11/2024 at 17:55 UTC

50 upvotes, 1 direct replies

I'm too tired and shocked for a proper analysis, but my first guess is that she lost due to a combination of 1. misogyny (people not being "ready" for a female president), 2. racism (people not wanting a black female president) 3. voters looking out for themselves only, especially economically, and 4, perhaps most importantly, being thoroughly brainwashed by right-wing media, which made it seem as if Kamala Harris was about to make America into a communist state.

It might be more nuanced than this, though. I'm as shell-shocked as you are.

Comment by RepublicAltruistic68 at 06/11/2024 at 19:56 UTC

9 upvotes, 1 direct replies

People are upset with the rising cost of living and it is very easy to spread misinformation when there's discontent and financial stress. Trump says anything and everything without concerns and that unfortunately attracts people. Biden doesn't inspire confidence and it inevitably hurts anyone on his side of politics regardless of what the facts are. Trump and his team have formed a very efficient cult.

I've read through several posts here and seen a lot of comments. It tells me a lot of liberals are also very unaware of the reality of this country. Lots of comments about how this boils down to misogyny and racism. They play a role but y'all are ignoring the fact that many women and minorities are very happily voting for these people. They will cite their grievances and tell you that Trump will solve everything. It is not just about reproductive rights. That takes a back seat for a lot of people and they're willing to sacrifice that for other things they care about. They have voted against their own interests and can't see it. Yes, even white men.

Comment by ihaveopinions11113 at 06/11/2024 at 17:56 UTC

16 upvotes, 1 direct replies

Maybe tomorrow we can have that discussion. Today? Today, we grieve.

Comment by Abbey_Hurtfew at 06/11/2024 at 18:35 UTC

7 upvotes, 0 direct replies

A lot of older women who would have flipped to vote blue on the basis of roe v wade died during Covid. I was really hoping the 65+ voters who could say “I lost my aunt/cousin/mother to a botched illegal abortion because women were denied basic healthcare” would be a significant group.

Comment by llamapajamaa at 06/11/2024 at 19:29 UTC

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Its a complex explanation, but a huge part of it is absolutely due to her identity as a Black biracial woman. Many keep saying how unlikeable she was. My friend's aunt had the audacity to question Harris's credentials... you know, because being the VP for the last four years in addition to working as a *state* prosecutor wasn't enough. People felt more comfortable electing a senile and unhinged rapist because we are used to that kind of leadership. Because he's more "likable."

Comment by CautiousWoodpecker10 at 06/11/2024 at 19:35 UTC

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Harris was a tough sell as a candidate, even though she had plenty of experience and good qualities. A big part of the issue was that voters were frustrated with the Democratic Party choosing her without a formal primary—especially since her polling numbers were really low in the last one back in 2020. Her campaign also missed the mark with some key groups, like young men and Hispanic voters, who ended up turning out in huge numbers for Trump. Sure, there were people who wouldn’t vote for a woman, but it was a lot more complicated than just that.

Comment by goldieturkeyvulture at 06/11/2024 at 19:47 UTC

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I think people are so angry and discontent that it was going to be hard for the current party to remain in the presidency. I think Trump appeals to people's anger and fear and the Democrats tend to try to appeal to reason. And of course, sexism makes it so people who voted for Biden wouldn't vote for Harris. I am not sure if I will see a woman president in my lifetime.

Comment by SeniorSquash at 06/11/2024 at 19:47 UTC

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Not having a primary and trying to just run with Biden was a mistake. Kamala was unpopular when she initially tried to run. We need to stop catering to centrists and the right and build a movement of the left that doesn't pander to billionaires and Zionists just like the right.

Ugh. What a sad time.

Comment by [deleted] at 06/11/2024 at 22:57 UTC*

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This is wild to me that people don’t understand. The left has turned into a woke, social justice machine that cancels anyone that says anything wrong. In fact they go hunting for it. Everyone is completely exhausted by this. Everyone feels policed. If you don’t agree with every single thing the left is doing you’re accused of being a bigot. On top of that, people are struggling financially. If they speak up, they hear “we don’t want to hear from white people!”

Trump is telling everyone they’re right to be exhausted about this. He tells them they’re right, and also he will solve all their financial problems!

The left cannot understand what they’re doing - even though trump lost against a woman in 2016 - they try to get a black woman to beat him. Like what??. The left really did not see how this was going to fail from day 1.

Until the left *stops the identity politics* we will lose every election. We need to get back to center left. We need to stop race wars and cancel culture. We need to find the most charming white Christian straight democrat to run against Trump.

WE NEED TO STOP CALLING THE OTHER SIDE IDIOTS AND TERRIBLE

For reference I’m a woman who will be a democrat for life. I’m desperate for the left to win, and to have a female president, but we are not being smart.

Comment by Hot-Maximum7576 at 06/11/2024 at 21:19 UTC

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I think everyone needs to stop blaming Kamala or saying she didn’t do enough. Are you kidding?

The other side had a rapist felon for a candidate. Someone who is wildly racist and homophobic and transphobic. He has spent nearly a decade running on a platform of hate, fear, and lies. Even still the number of people who came out to vote for that was breathtaking. It says much more about Americans than it does about Kamala.

Comment by mairzydoatsndozey at 06/11/2024 at 18:03 UTC

18 upvotes, 1 direct replies

She lost because people are unhappy with the way the country is. Because they can’t find jobs, buy groceries, pay their rent, and the democrats have been turning their backs on the working class for ages now. Because the identity politics they’ve been running on don’t serve them, and because they don’t want to be gaslit into believing everything is fine and more of the same would be great. Or maybe some people actually wanted a democratic process with a primary to pick the candidate of their choice. And whether or not republicans will do a better job at any of these things, they have done a better job of speaking to working class Americans. Or at least that’s my analysis

Comment by itsthenugget at 06/11/2024 at 20:31 UTC

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There are lots of relevant explanations here and I'd like to add that her campaign was very much a rushed job. She wasn't even in the primaries. The Democratic party held on to Biden for too long until he proved on air that he was mentally unfit and then it was a scramble to replace him because they knew he couldn't win. I think, in addition to everything else, the fact that it seemed like they were going to just push Biden through in spite of him being unfit to serve and then replaced him when their hand was forced, only to do so without a traditional primary and enough time to actually prepare, really shook the faith of some voters.

(For the record, I still voted for Harris because duh, and I actually really like Walz and hope he runs next)

Comment by yamxiety at 06/11/2024 at 19:10 UTC

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Dems didn't let us choose our candidate in a primary, they pushed a Black/Indian woman onto a country who didn't even vote for a white woman, not only that but she's not even progressive as a person, so she wasn't getting the votes of people who truly are progressive, and they were pandering to moderates/conservatives. She met with the Cheneys ffs. She fully backs israel doing genocide on palestine, something the majority of this country, and the dems especially, don't want. Not only that, but she mocked and ignored protestors, as did her fanbase. she provided no real alternative, the dems had no real policy promises -- just the same old tired "at least we're not the other guy" that they've been using for a million years now.

Even I wasn't sure if I'd vote this year or not. I'm just so sick and tired of voting for any evil, lesser or not.

It's all compounded onto itself.

Comment by OrigamiOwl22 at 06/11/2024 at 19:50 UTC

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If you chat with conservatives and non conservatives, there’s a lot of reasons.

1. Abortion is a ticket item that only affects women. (Yes we can say men are affected all day long, but if a man doesn’t want to be a dad, he’ll find a way to avoid Child support. There are tons of them out there and they won’t stop now.)

2. She had a weak campaign. I spend a lot of time on Reddit which is Pro Kamala, despite that, I knew more about Trumps campaign than Kamala’s.

In fact I knew nothing of Kamala’s.

3. A LOT of people were very upset about how she was put as the candidate without a proper setup like Trump and Biden. They don’t agree with that and will not vote to support and allow it to happen possibly a second time.

4. She did not attract Men at all, didn’t even really try to and men are heavy hitters in the election. Men are raised to be the bread winner, don’t share your emotions, be her rock, and to a lot of them, she was a threat to the COL which is where a lot of men feel needed to their families.