created by PowerWordEmbiggen on 19/01/2025 at 02:17 UTC
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I’m saying this in reference to people saying that Analogue is going to revisit their old discontinued systems and make 4K versions of these systems.
Maybe the reason why Analogue hasn’t done much with the DAC is that they plan on doing a DAC 2 which is also an upscaler?
They can spend a ton of money and take a huge gamble reviving multiple product lines and all the work that takes, including manufacturing these discontinued systems individually, and updating each individual FPGA.
Or, they can do something new and get into the upscaler market, which would cover all their old systems, all retro systems that currently exist like OEM SNES and Genesis consoles, and they wouldn’t have to go through any of the work that reviving a sunsetted product has.
I’m just saying that I see a lot of people throwing around an eventuality that they WILL revisit their discontinued systems just to do 4K when there’s zero evidence of this happening at all, and if we’re going to speculate, I actually see this as more viable and likely to happen than them reopening each system just to shoehorn 4K into retro games which is a barely noticeable difference.
I think an upscaler would allow them to continue to make money and allow people to pay a premium if they want to for 4K, without exposing them to bad business decisions because it opens up sales to people who may not even have an Analogue system and widens their market.
Comment by VitalArtifice at 19/01/2025 at 03:58 UTC
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While this isn’t an impossible idea, I’m not sure they can surpass the RetroTink line of products at this point. 4K versions of their older consoles seem to be a safer bet.
Comment by sampone at 19/01/2025 at 04:02 UTC
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Well they can’t seem to manage the DAC. So no
Comment by stockcar1515 at 19/01/2025 at 05:29 UTC
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Probably easier just to make 4K versions of the previous consoles since the cores are reusable.
Comment by SlCKB0Y at 19/01/2025 at 10:25 UTC
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The move to 4K is not about the games looking better, it’s about giving themselves a lot more extra pixels to create really convincing CRT effects.
I also think they’ll revisit their old consoles as it’s very easy money with a relatively small amount of R&D, at least once the 3D is finished.
1. The 4K scaler implementation is straight from the 3D.
2. The CRT effects are straight from the 3D.
3. The console cores are already done.
4. Even the physical cases could be reused.
I already have one, but if they produced a Super NT in 4K, with the CRT effects, savestates and for example MSU-1 support, it would be an instant purchase for me.
It could detect you’re playing Zelda, see you’ve got the MSU files on SDCard and then mix that audio in and you’re playing Link Between Worlds with orchestral, CD quality music. Amazing!
Comment by beefcat_ at 20/01/2025 at 22:26 UTC
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The RetroTINK 4k is honestly a better upscaler than I would expect Analogue to make.
That isn't to say I think Analogue would make a bad one. But Mike Chi clearly pours his heart and soul into his products, and the sheer amount of configurability and his dedication to adding new features via firmware updates *years* later puts him in a league of his own.
I would expect an Analogue upscaler product to be a lot more simplified to make it easier to use and stop seeing meaningful software support after a year or so.
Comment by Dragarius at 21/01/2025 at 19:07 UTC
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Realistically.... Why?
Comment by Metroidvania-JRPG at 19/01/2025 at 14:24 UTC
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No one would buy this DAC 2 knowing what they did with the DAC and how they screwed everyone who bought one. I think they lost everyone trust on that one
Comment by Bake-Full at 19/01/2025 at 13:38 UTC*
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Hard to say what they'll do. But if there's a sustained frenzy on the 3D the way there was with the Pocket, it may be a while before there's anything new from them since they historically haven't had more than a couple lines actively produced at a time. The DAC development for the Pocket and Duo appears to be stalled entirely, possibly because they've bitten off more than they could manage.
Comment by MaedaMatazaemon at 26/01/2025 at 16:16 UTC
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There’s no point in doing 4k remakes of the old systems. They’re 240p after all.
I think people have the wrong idea about these crt filters. You simply cannot reproduce the advantages of a crt with a OLED. It’s not physically possible. Putting aside all the nitty gritty technical details of how a crt functions - the colors can’t be reproduced accurately, the motion blur will always be evident on oleds as well.
4k upscaling sounds great and all but at the end of the day side by side a flat panel+upscaler and a crt/rgb. No more discussion will be neccesary after that, it’s self evident unless you’re blind as a bat.
Comment by Aware-Classroom7510 at 22/01/2025 at 20:52 UTC
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There's no reason to, overcrowded market
Comment by MysteriousPear6622 at 19/01/2025 at 02:29 UTC
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My wishful hope would be they just make adapters for their 3D that plays snes and nes games. I had the chance to buy the Super NT and didn’t. Regret it.
Comment by AardvarkBarber at 19/01/2025 at 02:52 UTC
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If they do this and still don't offer pocket support on the original DAC I might be done with them forever.
Comment by TheRealSeeThruHead at 19/01/2025 at 03:10 UTC
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That would be a great idea. I think it’s far more likely they will want to make new devices though. Lots of people will upgrade. So they get those sales.
And if they sell an upscale they will sell at max one per person.