Probably been mentioned before but what is the closest we have to an official it channel? Aug 31, 2021 5:56:01 AM gemproj@suckless.anonaddy.com: > That's dedication! I presume that was a lot of work. > Have you talked to the person who invented titan:// ? I think gemini://transjovian.org/titan[http://transjovian.org/titan] is hosted by gemini://alexschroeder.ch[http://alexschroeder.ch] if I am not mistaken, someone correct me. > > You should also talk to @skyjake on gemini://station.martinrue.com[http://station.martinrue.com] who maintains Lagrange, the only browser I know of that even implemented titan. > > Right now, as it stands titan is merely more than an ftp alternative. One that you can add version management on, as if you were running a wiki. > I'm not going to discuss the pros and cons of this spec, because I have no need for it. It works against decentralization. And just for my own gemlog, my toolchain would allow me to upload a simple textfile via scp/sftp and everything happens automagically. > > What I will say however is, try to live within geminispace for a few months, hang around on irc and on station. You'll notice that there's a certain minimalism vibe to everything. People have really great ideas that change your perspective on what you think is necessary and what isn't. > > On Tue, Aug 31, 2021 at 2:15 AM Sergei Gnezdov 'sergei.gnezdov at gmail.com[http://gmail.com]' <gemproj+sergei.gnezdov=gmail.com@suckless.anonaddy.com> wrote: >> This email was sent to gemproj@suckless.anonaddy.com from sergei.gnezdov@gmail.com and has been forwarded by AnonAddy[https://anonaddy.com] >> Click here[https://app.anonaddy.com/deactivate/84c97fb7-dd72-4688-b653-1 88215324c2a?signature=e4cd6fabb5144657ed72ac3c56cde019ecccfe366af0b08968536 f9080c11eba] to deactivate this alias >> >> >> Here is my proposal. It will be in standalone Github project. I am interested to see the reaction. The point of it is: Gemini as of today can stay the same and problem of form submission can be done on top of Titan. >> >> On 8/30/21 4:30 AM, gemproj@suckless.anonaddy.com wrote: >> >> On Mon, Aug 30, 2021 at 7:43 AM Sergei Gnezdov 'sergei.gnezdov at gmail.com[http://gmail.com]' <gemproj+sergei.gnezdov=gmail.com@suckless.anonaddy.com> wrote: >>> >>> Gemini as of today will not scale in interactive usability, because user >>> interaction is severely limited. There is a statement that Gemini is >>> only for consumption. However, we have to be realistic that for >>> usability of consumption to stay high, user cannot be asked to live >>> Gemini browser for HTTPS powered web browser to submit a post. That >>> breaks user flow and makes Gemini not worth it. Why to come back to >>> Gemini if I just used standard browser to do something and in the >>> process I compromised all the advantages listed above? >> >> I know this is not very progressive to say it, but why does it need to scale? Why does everything always have to appeal to everyone? >> Not to mention the well-discussed issue as to whether content *needs* to be updated through a browser. My stance on this is pretty much: you have to learn things to use things. And using sftp to upload a file as a bare minimum requirement is not hard. And it uses a protocol made for file transfer! You can even transport images with it! </sarcasm> >> >> In all seriousness, there are multiple real life examples of this. If you want to learn to drive a car you need to consider learning how to drive. Who'd think that just because you know how to ride a bike, someone tailors your car to work like a bike, you know? >> >> geminispace provides a nice retreat from the complexities of the clearweb and it also makes you get back to tools that were around before everyone decided that literally everything needs to live in a browser. It doesn't mean that it's uncomfortable to use, but as skyjake once put it on gemini://station.martinrue.com[http://station.martinrue.com]: there's a reason text editors are there, because text editing is hard. Adding that to a browser is tough. If you make titan:// mandatory in geminispace, most browsers will instead to turn to the shell where you have immediate access to nano, vim and emacs, and what have you gained then? >> >> I know I am ranting. But it's been discussed. geminispace is feature complete from a protocol end. And if it doesn't grow big, that's probably ok. Because the people that are in geminispace are great as it is :) >> >>> >>> Titan protocol is a good step in the process and perhaps is the only >>> required step. I am not sure. We have to remember about need to >>> support multiple screen types from desktop to mobile and it is tough to >>> create something acceptable and generic for user input under the >>> restrictions Gemini protocol put in place. I am hoping people here come >>> up with something :) >>> >>> I also would like to raise people's awareness, that if the network to >>> grow and get any close to big, people shall expect that network would >>> promote payments models, because it kills advertisements so >>> efficiently. I think it is a good thing. I want to consume a product >>> and not to be a product. If I am a product, then UI tends to focus on >>> makings adds prominent and waiting my time. That goes back to value of >>> Gemini and consequence of its proposition is non-add based models. I hope. >>> >>> >>> >>
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