On Mon, Aug 30, 2021 at 7:43 AM Sergei Gnezdov 'sergei.gnezdov at gmail.com' <gemproj+sergei.gnezdov=gmail.com@suckless.anonaddy.com> wrote: > > Gemini as of today will not scale in interactive usability, because user > interaction is severely limited. There is a statement that Gemini is > only for consumption. However, we have to be realistic that for > usability of consumption to stay high, user cannot be asked to live > Gemini browser for HTTPS powered web browser to submit a post. That > breaks user flow and makes Gemini not worth it. Why to come back to > Gemini if I just used standard browser to do something and in the > process I compromised all the advantages listed above? > I know this is not very progressive to say it, but why does it need to scale? Why does everything always have to appeal to everyone? Not to mention the well-discussed issue as to whether content *needs* to be updated through a browser. My stance on this is pretty much: you have to learn things to use things. And using sftp to upload a file as a bare minimum requirement is not hard. And it uses a protocol made for file transfer! You can even transport images with it! </sarcasm> In all seriousness, there are multiple real life examples of this. If you want to learn to drive a car you need to consider learning how to drive. Who'd think that just because you know how to ride a bike, someone tailors your car to work like a bike, you know? geminispace provides a nice retreat from the complexities of the clearweb and it also makes you get back to tools that were around before everyone decided that literally everything needs to live in a browser. It doesn't mean that it's uncomfortable to use, but as skyjake once put it on gemini:// station.martinrue.com: there's a reason text editors are there, because text editing is hard. Adding that to a browser is tough. If you make titan:// mandatory in geminispace, most browsers will instead to turn to the shell where you have immediate access to nano, vim and emacs, and what have you gained then? I know I am ranting. But it's been discussed. geminispace is feature complete from a protocol end. And if it doesn't grow big, that's probably ok. Because the people that are in geminispace are great as it is :) > > Titan protocol is a good step in the process and perhaps is the only > required step. I am not sure. We have to remember about need to > support multiple screen types from desktop to mobile and it is tough to > create something acceptable and generic for user input under the > restrictions Gemini protocol put in place. I am hoping people here come > up with something :) > > I also would like to raise people's awareness, that if the network to > grow and get any close to big, people shall expect that network would > promote payments models, because it kills advertisements so > efficiently. I think it is a good thing. I want to consume a product > and not to be a product. If I am a product, then UI tends to focus on > makings adds prominent and waiting my time. That goes back to value of > Gemini and consequence of its proposition is non-add based models. I hope. > > > >
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