I've been 'thus said'ed!! :-D Thank you. On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 1:03 AM Sean Conner <sean at conman.org> wrote: > It was thus said that the Great Mansfield Mansfield once stated: > > Hello! > > > > One of my goals has been to have a client / server pairing that > > supports helping non-technical users go from downloading a client to > > posting content as quickly and painlessly as possible. In my mind this > > means allowing new accounts to be created *without* moderating their > > creation... which leaves me wondering how I might respond to side-effects > > like any unwelcome content (illegal, offensive, spam, etc.). > > > > I understand that walking down a path that allows un-moderated account > > creation is asking for trouble. I'm still interested in exploring > > the possibilities to see if a compromise might be found for > > my implementations. > > I am not a lawyer, so take what I say with a few bolders of salt. > > How concerned are you? I can see where you might be subject to: > > * laws where you live > * laws of the domain you register (for instance, the purely > fictional .fd top level domain (Freedonia) might subjects you to > its punative libel and copyright laws despite where you or the > server or your users are located) > * laws where the server resides > * laws where the user lives > > All of those might be the same country; it might not. The US has strong > freedom of speech codes and thus libel cases are harder to prosecute (to a > degree); the UK has less free speech and very strong libel laws (compared > to > the US) so you might be liable for something a user said. Again, it > depends upon jurisdiction. > > I know the US (since I live there) tries to make a distinction between a > "publisher" and a "platform" and one of the differences comes down to > moderation---do too much and you can fall into the "publisher" category > which makes you more liable for what is said than if you are in the > "platform" category. Too little moderation and, as you say, is also > troublesome. > I think I'm following your walk through the legal aspect... I guess that was part of my thought process too... not too dominant, but part. I'm not too worried - and now I can see how attempts to find a desirable outcome from constricting and controlling too much might lead to an undesirable outcome anyway if the situation is seen as more-like-publisher. Good food for thought. I get the sense that you would lean more toward little to no moderation, which can make sense. From the little that I've seen, I *think* that if I wanted an 'account' on your gemini server I would need to email you. Are you able to keep up with the invites, or, said another way, do you sometimes wish you weren't in the middle? > Okay, ignoring legal liabilities, one way might be to use an > "invite-only" > system. The website Lobsters (https://lobste.rs/) uses an invite system. > Users can invite new users (even ones they don't know) but they then become > liable for the new users behavior. I'm checking the current moderation > queue for users [1], and while most are userid changes (foo changed > username > to bar), some users have been banned (mostly for spamming; one for > "repeatedly trying to use Lobsters to whip up an online outrage mob against > organizations they don't care for"), some have had invites disabled for > inviting too many other people who have been banned. That seems to work > for > Lobsters. > This idea of invites becoming some form of responsibility appeals to me quite a bit. > > Also, trying to invoke a community spirit can help. > > -spc > > [1] > https://lobste.rs/moderations?moderator=%28All%29&what%5Busers%5D=users\ > <https://lobste.rs/moderations?moderator=%28All%29&what%5Busers%5D=users%5C> > > I'm not sure if you can read the link if you aren't a member. > The link worked fine for me and I'm not a member. Interesting that there seem to be a dozen to a few dozen 'moderation actions' a week. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://lists.orbitalfox.eu/archives/gemini/attachments/20210107/82ac 90c8/attachment.htm>
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